soo did Eli make a mistake or would the chargers be as good

John_Locke · 12-10-2006, 04:23 PM

after that draft fiasco,

who made the mistake

I am thinking Eli is second guessing himself right about now

But...would the chargers be as good if Eli were on the draw?

my one and only thread all week....hootie take note

milkman · 12-10-2006, 04:24 PM

Philip Rivers is the better QB.

**KcMizzou** · 12-10-2006, 04:26 PM

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Philip Rivers is the better QB.

Yeah. Man the Chargers made out like a bandit on that deal.

milkman · 12-10-2006, 04:29 PM

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Yeah. Man the Chargers made out like a bandit on that deal.

I'd trade Carl Peterson for AJ Smith, and throw in Gunt to sweeten the deal.

theultimatekcchiefsfan · 12-11-2006, 12:52 AM

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Yeah. Man the Chargers made out like a bandit on that deal.

I would say the same about the Michael Vick/ Ladanian Tomlinson decision also. I dont remember the excact situation that occured, but I do remember trying to guess which guy would be the best. Of course I was wrong and thought it would be Vick.

Valiant · 12-11-2006, 01:35 AM

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I would say the same about the Michael Vick/ Ladanian Tomlinson decision also. I dont remember the excact situation that occured, but I do remember trying to guess which guy would be the best. Of course I was wrong and thought it would be Vick.

Vick for LT/Brees I believe was the end result...

WestFan · 12-11-2006, 03:15 AM

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I would say the same about the Michael Vick/ Ladanian Tomlinson decision also. I dont remember the excact situation that occured, but I do remember trying to guess which guy would be the best. Of course I was wrong and thought it would be Vick.

Regarding the Vick/LT trade in 2001.

The Chargers were originally going to select Michael Vick. However, then Chargers GM John Butler was unable to strike a pre-draftday deal with Vick's agent on a contract. San Diego wasn't willing to pay the exorbitant amount of money Vick wanted, with the Ryan Leaf fiasco still fresh in their memory. The Chargers then negotiated a trade with Atlanta who was interested in Vick and willing to pay his salary demands.

Soon after that 2001 draft, Vick signed his rookie contract -- a 6 year, $62 million deal that included a $3 million signing bonus and guaranteed $15.3 million his first three seasons.

In exchange for the Chargers' #1 overall draft pick, the Falcons swapped their 2001 #1 draft pick (5th overall), 2001 3rd round pick, 2002 2nd round pick, and WR Tim Dwight.

The Chargers used the draft picks to grab LaDainian Tomlinson and Tay Cody in 2001, and WR Reche Caldwell in 2002. The Chargers were also able to select Drew Brees in the second round in 2001 because they were still looking for a QB.

Brees, Cody, Caldwell, and Dwight are no longer with the Chargers and only LT remains from that 2001 trade.

So, after all the dealings and releases, 5 years later, it's pretty much Vick for LT.

pikesome · 12-11-2006, 09:37 AM

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Philip Rivers is the better QB.

You have to wonder though how much is the situation. NY isn't a great place to struggle and it looks like Coughlin might not be the kinda of coach to fix Eli's problems. SD has a lot of talent and a coach that can work with players easier even though he isn't thought of fondly here. If the roles were reversed it might have easily been Rivers the goat and Eli the fine young quarterback. Often when we look back on drafts I think that the time and place doesn't get factored in as it should.

Chiefnj · 12-11-2006, 09:40 AM

Was there ever a good deal where a team gives up a bunch of draft picks for a certain player? Herschel Walker, Ricky Williams, Eli, etc.

ChiefsCountry · 12-10-2006, 04:31 PM

Chargers got lucky as hell out of that deal.

chagrin · 12-10-2006, 04:34 PM

No, Eli plays where Daddy wants him to play, end of story.

chagrin · 12-10-2006, 04:35 PM

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my one and only thread all week....hootie take note

Wouldn't that be nice, we won't be so lucky

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-10-2006, 04:39 PM

Rivers Roideman a 3rd and a 5th for Little Brother Manning.

That's a franchise making deal for SD...I remember watching at the time that I felt like NY gave up a lot of picks for him, especially since they had leverage, but I also thought Eli would be a very good QB, better than Rivers. I was right and wrong, and it would have been much better for us had those rights and wrongs been reversed.

el borracho · 12-11-2006, 12:46 AM

The Chargers would not be as good with Eli because they would not have received all those picks from NY.

BWillie · 12-11-2006, 01:09 AM

Eli acted like a whiney bitch. He thought he was too good for that franchise because at the time they had been perennially horrible. Well, guess what Eli. When you suck for 4 straight years and accumulate draft picks up the arse, sooner or later you are going to get good with that talent. A winner is a winner every where he goes, it doesn't matter.

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