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Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I don't know who's right, but I like all the different theories... I think a strong argument can be made for several ways to wrap this one up.

I've got two and mentioned them both earlier.

Either you believe that everything that happened on the show literally happened, or you believe that Jack had an epiphany just as he died with regards on how to find redemption.

Either way, the outcome is exactly the same.

Deberg_1990 · 05-24-2010, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Here's the deal: From a story standpoint (and TV series) it was a simple concept. Even though most people thought that the writers were making it up as they went along, the most important part of the show, The Theme, never changed.

I'm sure the pitch went something like this:

We have a show about a Hero and his journey. His very soul lies in the balance. His journey is one of redemption. If he can redeem himself, he'll save his soul and the souls of his followers. If he can't, they'll all end up soulless and in a Hell.

Sounds sorta interesting, but nothing really new and exciting, right?

So then they add this:

What separates this Hero's journey and our story is that it follows a group of people that were in a devastating plane crash that end up on a lush tropical island. But the island really isn't a tropical island. There are polar bears, unexplained electromagnetic power, several groups allied against our survivors and a game being played that could decide the fate of everyone on the island.

Now, there were many failed plot devices including Aaron, Walt, Jack's tattoos, Mr. Eko and more. The show was able to rebound but they never fully explained those devices and instead, decided to cover it up by stating the show was really about redemption. Not about EM, Dharma, Egyptian statues, etc.

If you re-watch all of the episodes, I'm sure that the finale will have more meaning and you may have an epiphany as to what really happened in the end.

Or not.

Sounds good...i want to believe you....

But it seems like the series started off more Sci-Fi......that was the orginal hook anyways......Guess i was just disappointed they strayed from that.

KingPriest2 · 05-24-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Where? I've got them on Twitter and have seen nothing of the sort. I've read and listened to every interview I could find (save for last night's because it was far too late - I'll watch it tonight) and heard nothing remotely like you're describing.

My wife went to the Paly festival in March and my question (through my wife) was the first question addressed by the panel, which included the actors, Cuse, Bender & Lindelof.

The podcasts and the interviews on Dark UFO

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KingPriest2

The podcasts and the interviews on Dark UFO

If I do a search on Cuse and/or Lindelof, very little comes up.

Chiefnj2 · 05-24-2010, 09:48 PM

I'm not sure why people would take Darlton for their word. They've bent the truth before, many times. I find it kind of funny that they are now taking the position that it "has always been about the characters". Oh, really? For years and years I remember everything focusing on the hatch, the numbers, the others, conception issues, time travel, etc. Not to mention the introduction of characters only to kill them off a few weeks later without any real character development - tail section anyone?

I honestly believe they originally had about two seasons worth of material and it focussed primarily on Jack and his series of tests and faith. When the show became wildly popular they fed into the minutia without any idea how they would actually provide answers to all the mysteries they created - Walt - who? Oh yeah, the kid the others wanted really bad, the kid who had mysterious powers and was locked in room 23 - forget he ever existed. The rabbits with numbers who would magically recreate, what happened to them? Fertility quesions? Aaron?? The numbers - "Jacob has a thing for numbers". That's an answer?

irishjayhawk · 05-24-2010, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

I was having similar thoughts (and I know very little about the show) until the explanation of it all from Jack's dad. I felt like there could be a next world, perhaps any number of additional alt-timelines, in which things would play out differently but end pretty much the same. It alluded to reincarnation, yes, but more strongly to Nietzche's notion of the Eternal Recurrence.

I spoke that thought out loud last night, at which point my friend Nalla told me "Stop it. The minute you try and bring legitimate philosophy into this is the minute that the show's creators win." Then we went on to making jokes about how the Lost writers didn't really have a good idea of what they show meant. Then we watched Breaking Bad, a decidedly non-spiritual show that consequently has things to say about the world (a non-spiritual one) that real humans live in.

I plan on watching all of LOST right after I finish playing through Super Mario Galaxy 2 just to see how off I am about my impressions.

When LOST is on, it rivals Breaking Bad in terms of quality and entertainment. The difference is that BB maintains it's plateau where LOST doesn't.

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That may be true. But it doesn't mean that I'm incorrect.

The show runners made the show about Jack and his journey for "redemption". They've stated on several occasions that they knew exactly how the show would end, they just needed to know how much time they'd have to flesh out the back stories of the other characters.

Now, that doesn't mean that as a TV show, the other characters were meaningless because in the bigger picture, Jack needed those people to grow and move on to the next world. But in the end, it was Jack's story. If the show had ended after season three, it would have ended the same exact way for Jack.

And despite what some people are suggesting, all of the passengers on flight 815 were dead.

The end credits where they show the wreckage with absolutely no sign of life prove it.

I took those as set photos. They didn't even look like part of the episode.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

I took those as set photos. They didn't even look like part of the episode.

They weren't photos because a blue blanket was waiving in the wind.

Furthermore, if they were just stills, why not show more than three?

Brock · 05-24-2010, 09:59 PM

Great show from beginning to end. Whether it was pointless or not, it entertained me for a long time. Sorry it had to end.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I'm not sure why people would take Darlton for their word. They've bent the truth before, many times. I find it kind of funny that they are now taking the position that it "has always been about the characters". Oh, really? For years and years I remember everything focusing on the hatch, the numbers, the others, conception issues, time travel, etc. Not to mention the introduction of characters only to kill them off a few weeks later without any real character development - tail section anyone?

I honestly believe they originally had about two seasons worth of material and it focussed primarily on Jack and his series of tests and faith. When the show became wildly popular they fed into the minutia without any idea how they would actually provide answers to all the mysteries they created - Walt - who? Oh yeah, the kid the others wanted really bad, the kid who had mysterious powers and was locked in room 23 - forget he ever existed. The rabbits with numbers who would magically recreate, what happened to them? Fertility quesions? Aaron?? The numbers - "Jacob has a thing for numbers". That's an answer?

Furthermore, you're given six years to very important questions (fertility, the fate of Walt & Aaron, etc.) but those questions are answered off screen?

I don't buy it.

irishjayhawk · 05-24-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They weren't photos because a blue blanket was waiving in the wind.

Furthermore, if they were just stills, why not show more than three?

I thought it was more "look where we started", we just ended with what you saw.

I didn't think it had any story bearing.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

I thought it was more "look where we started", we just ended with what you saw.

I didn't think it had any story bearing.

That would be a first.

Obviously, I don't agree with your assumption but to each his own.

KingPriest2 · 05-24-2010, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Furthermore, you're given six years to very important questions (fertility, the fate of Walt & Aaron, etc.) but those questions are answered off screen?

I don't buy it.

They are going to address Walt in the DVD

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 10:05 PM

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They are going to address Walt in the DVD

If true, that's weak. I'd prefer they don't address it all because it cheapens the series.

irishjayhawk · 05-24-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That would be a first.

Obviously, I don't agree with your assumption but to each his own.

What makes you think it was relevant?

It went to black for a good 5 seconds and then faded up. That to me signals a credits style look back kinda thing.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

What makes you think it was relevant?

It went to black for a good 5 seconds and then faded up. That to me signals a credits style look back kinda thing.

No, I don't think it was irrelevant at all.

I think that it proves the notion that the Losties died when the plane broke in half and that the "island" wasn't really an island afterall.

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05-24-2010, 09:48 PM	#5720
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7883688	I'm not sure why people would take Darlton for their word. They've bent the truth before, many times. I find it kind of funny that they are now taking the position that it "has always been about the characters". Oh, really? For years and years I remember everything focusing on the hatch, the numbers, the others, conception issues, time travel, etc. Not to mention the introduction of characters only to kill them off a few weeks later without any real character development - tail section anyone? I honestly believe they originally had about two seasons worth of material and it focussed primarily on Jack and his series of tests and faith. When the show became wildly popular they fed into the minutia without any idea how they would actually provide answers to all the mysteries they created - Walt - who? Oh yeah, the kid the others wanted really bad, the kid who had mysterious powers and was locked in room 23 - forget he ever existed. The rabbits with numbers who would magically recreate, what happened to them? Fertility quesions? Aaron?? The numbers - "Jacob has a thing for numbers". That's an answer? __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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05-24-2010, 09:59 PM	#5723
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	Great show from beginning to end. Whether it was pointless or not, it entertained me for a long time. Sorry it had to end.
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