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Old 01-07-2013, 05:25 PM   #1
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:16 PM   #2
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Was really hoping Carolina would fire Ron Rivera...(

That being said, maybe Kiffin is like every other head coach that fails. Peter Principle got to him and he'll be better back as a coordinator.
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:25 PM   #3
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Was really hoping Carolina would fire Ron Rivera...(

That being said, maybe Kiffin is like every other head coach that fails. Peter Principle got to him and he'll be better back as a coordinator.
Huh? Monte Kiffin isn't a HC.
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:25 PM   #4
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So if a QB now has to be Luck to draft him first overall, why don't other players have to be held to that esteem?


Qb is so important nowadays, seems that it would be worth the risk/
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:26 PM   #5
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So if a QB now has to be Luck to draft him first overall, why don't other players have to be held to that esteem?
Exactly.

Might as well just pass on our pick.

Jarvis Jones is no Von Miller.

Luke Joeckel is no Orlando Pace.

There's literally NOBODY there to pick.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:11 PM   #6
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So if a QB now has to be Luck to draft him first overall, why don't other players have to be held to that esteem?


Qb is so important nowadays, seems that it would be worth the risk/
No one said he "has to be Luck".

But it's foolish to think that any QB taken in the near future won't be compared to Luck. And it won't be pretty.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:13 PM   #7
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No one said he "has to be Luck".

But it's foolish to think that any QB taken in the near future won't be compared to Luck. And it won't be pretty.
No, it won't be pretty.


Buts is not correct to think he has to be that type of prospect to be a successful franchise QB.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:17 PM   #8
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No, it won't be pretty.


Buts is not correct to think he has to be that type of prospect to be a successful franchise QB.
Then what is the definition of a Franchise QB?
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:19 PM   #9
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Then what is the definition of a Franchise QB?
So an Andrew Luck type prospect is your only definition of a franchise QB? He has to be a once in a generation type prospect to be considered a potential franchise QB?
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:24 PM   #10
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Then what is the definition of a Franchise QB?
IMO it's a QB that has proven to be good enough to build your franchise around. Though I'm not a big fan of the term "franchise".
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:36 PM   #11
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No one said he "has to be Luck".

But it's foolish to think that any QB taken in the near future won't be compared to Luck. And it won't be pretty.
Actually, LOTS of people have said that.

Just about every "against" post here, every Mel Kiper or Todd McShay scouting report, every draft segment on NFLN starts with "well, he's no Andrew Luck".

It isn't just the fanbase. ESPN and NFLN are full of the same idiots.
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Dorsey has knee problems, but if he'd come cheap, he'd be ok depth.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:42 PM   #13
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We all want a "franchise quarterback" so bad it hurts. I know I do. However, if the best talent evaluators in the game determine that no quarterback is worth the risk at one and a stud is available at another premier position that you need, you have to trust their evaluation and deal with it. Now, if this was Scott Pioli or Carl Peterson making the pick, you have every right to jump and scream and talk about aids trees and shit. This is a new dawn, a new day though. I am on board until this regime proves otherwise.
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We all want a "franchise quarterback" so bad it hurts. I know I do. However, if the best talent evaluators in the game determine that no quarterback is worth the risk at one and a stud is available at another premier position that you need, you have to trust their evaluation and deal with it. Now, if this was Scott 'Team-killer' 'Team-killer' Pioli or Carl Peterson making the pick, you have every right to jump and scream and talk about aids trees and shit. This is a new dawn, a new day though. I am on board until this regime proves otherwise.
"worth the risk"

but there's no risk in drafting another ****ing LB when you have the worst collection of QB in the league?

sorry, their job is to identify the best QB in this draft AND DRAFT HIM

period

after 30 years, it is time to AT LEAST TRY ONCE
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We all want a "franchise quarterback" so bad it hurts. I know I do. However, if the best talent evaluators in the game determine that no quarterback is worth the risk at one and a stud is available at another premier position that you need, you have to trust their evaluation and deal with it.
There ****ing isn't.

I wouldn't take Jarvis Jones in the top 10 at all.

Manti Te'o? Don't get me started.

And all the LTs are slapdicks. If it's a big deal that there aren't any Andrew Lucks, it's an even more glaring deal that there aren't any Joe Thomases.

Would you rather draft a sub-par QB or a sub-par LT? Because that's what it comes down to this year at #1. I don't know about you all, but I'd rather roll the dice on the QB and take the upside that comes with it.
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