Geno Smith is Sam Bradford

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Messier

Geno fans seem torn. They like the 1st overall aspect of Bradford, but since Bradford is meh, they don't fully want to compare the two. I think it's apt. Smith might be good in the NFL, but I don't think he'll ever be top three or anything.

Also, if you're only going to draft a Qb who can be top 3 in the league, you might be waiting a while.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Also, if you're only going to draft a Qb who can be top 3 in the league, you might be waiting a while.

For no reason.

The dirty little secret is that it isn't necessary to have an elite QB to win like so many or saying. You just need to have a good quarterback to win.

Flacco ain't elite. Eli ain't elite. Big Ben ain't elite. Those guys are good in their own ways but each of them have massive holes in their games. Look at the list of SB winners and sure you have good QBs winning all of them.

But in recent history there have been maybe 3 instances of the best QB in football winning the SB - Brady (one of his wins), Manning and Rodgers. Brees is also pretty much a flawless passer, though I wouldn't have considered him the 'best'.

And frankly, I think it's going to get easier and easier to find credible QB play as we go forward which is why it really wouldn't surprise me to see the pendulum swing back towards defenses a little bit. Remember - if everyone's special, than nobody's special.

It's absolutely more critical than it's ever been to have good quarterback play but the funny thing is that it might now be less critical than ever to have elite quarterback play because of how the rule changes have bunched up the ranks. Suddenly the gap between the historic and the good (say, Montana and Ken O'Brien) is more easily bridged because the rules now allow the Ken O'Brien's of the world (Eli Manning) to hide their flaws.

It's really a fascinating time to evaluate the position and I could be way the hell off; it's just a thought.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

For no reason.

The dirty little secret is that it isn't necessary to have an elite QB to win like so many or saying. You just need to have a good quarterback to win.

Flacco ain't elite. Eli ain't elite. Big Ben ain't elite. Those guys are good in their own ways but each of them have massive holes in their games. Look at the list of SB winners and sure you have good QBs winning all of them.

But in recent history there have been maybe 3 instances of the best QB in football winning the SB - Brady (one of his wins), Manning and Rodgers. Brees is also pretty much a flawless passer, though I wouldn't have considered him the 'best'.

And frankly, I think it's going to get easier and easier to find credible QB play as we go forward which is why it really wouldn't surprise me to see the pendulum swing back towards defenses a little bit. Remember - if everyone's special, than nobody's special.

It's absolutely more critical than it's ever been to have good quarterback play but the funny thing is that it might now be less critical than ever to have elite quarterback play because of how the rule changes have bunched up the ranks. Suddenly the gap between the historic and the good (say, Montana and Ken O'Brien) is more easily bridged because the rules now allow the Ken O'Brien's of the world (Eli Manning) to hide their flaws.

It's really a fascinating time to evaluate the position and I could be way the hell off; it's just a thought.

It's almost more about fitting the skills of the guy you have or using them the most. Like you've said eloquently about Flacco, he has middling accuracy intermediate and short, so throw it deep more times. Offsets each other.

I think the elite QB's will always give you the BEST chance, but I think, like you said, the difference between the best and the good, isn't exactly a huge leap like it once was.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

For no reason.

The dirty little secret is that it isn't necessary to have an elite QB to win like so many or saying. You just need to have a good quarterback to win.

Flacco ain't elite. Eli ain't elite. Big Ben ain't elite. Those guys are good in their own ways but each of them have massive holes in their games. Look at the list of SB winners and sure you have good QBs winning all of them.

But in recent history there have been maybe 3 instances of the best QB in football winning the SB - Brady (one of his wins), Manning and Rodgers. Brees is also pretty much a flawless passer, though I wouldn't have considered him the 'best'.

And frankly, I think it's going to get easier and easier to find credible QB play as we go forward which is why it really wouldn't surprise me to see the pendulum swing back towards defenses a little bit. Remember - if everyone's special, than nobody's special.

It's absolutely more critical than it's ever been to have good quarterback play but the funny thing is that it might now be less critical than ever to have elite quarterback play because of how the rule changes have bunched up the ranks. Suddenly the gap between the historic and the good (say, Montana and Ken O'Brien) is more easily bridged because the rules now allow the Ken O'Brien's of the world (Eli Manning) to hide their flaws.

It's really a fascinating time to evaluate the position and I could be way the hell off; it's just a thought.

I agree completely with this.

We're probably at a point right now where you can win a SB with a top 10 QB. Anyone in the top 10 can beat anyone else in the top 10.

We're probably inching towards the point where if you half a top half of the league QB, you've got a chance, if the rest of the team isn't dogshit.

Which only makes the QB position more valuable, IMO.

It's gonna get easier to find a guy in the draft, so you might as well keep picking them high.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

I agree completely with this.

We're probably at a point right now where you can win a SB with a top 10 QB. Anyone in the top 10 can beat anyone else in the top 10.

We're probably inching towards the point where if you half a top half of the league QB, you've got a chance, if the rest of the team isn't dogshit.

Which only makes the QB position more valuable, IMO.

It's gonna get easier to find a guy in the draft, so you might as well keep picking them high.

Probably more than 10

Brady
Rodgers
Brees
manning
Manning
Wilson
Kaepernick
Flacco
Luck
RG3
Ryan
Rapist

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Probably more than 10

Brady
Rodgers
Brees
manning
Manning
Wilson
Kaepernick
Flacco
Luck
RG3
Ryan
Rapist

There you go.

Elvis Grbac probably would have been one of the better QBs in the league in this era.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Probably more than 10

Brady
Rodgers
Brees
manning
Manning
Wilson
Kaepernick
Flacco
Luck
RG3
Ryan
Rapist

And are you really willing to say that Romo, Cutler, Rivers and Stafford can't win a SB? Because if so, you're saying that Geno Smith will be a failure as a #1 draft pick if he isn't better than all 4 of those guys - damn, that's asking a shitload isn't it? With those 4 guys in the mix, you really do have the top 1/2 of the league as a 'championship caliber' QB.

Quarterback remains the most important position in sports, but it's also become the most overhyped. You absolutely, positively cannot win in the NFL with a bad quarterback. However, the more I've looked at the league over the last couple of months, the more I've realized that all you really need to have is a guy in the top 1/2 or so.

The reason you roll the dice on a guy like Geno Smith is that a truly elite QB is still a force multiplier and a nice way to cover for some weaknesses. It's no doubt easier to win with a top 5 guy.

But if 15 is the best you can do, take heart - you can still win and win big with that guy.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And are you really willing to say that Romo, Cutler, Rivers and Stafford can't win a SB? Because if so, you're saying that Geno Smith will be a failure as a #1 draft pick if he isn't better than all 4 of those guys - damn, that's asking a shitload isn't it? With those 4 guys in the mix, you really do have the top 1/2 of the league as a 'championship caliber' QB.

Quarterback remains the most important position in sports, but it's also become the most overhyped. You absolutely, positively cannot win in the NFL with a bad quarterback. However, the more I've looked at the league over the last couple of months, the more I've realized that all you really need to have is a guy in the top 1/2 or so.

The reason you roll the dice on a guy like Geno Smith is that a truly elite QB is still a force multiplier and a nice way to cover for some weaknesses. It's no doubt easier to win with a top 5 guy.

But if 15 is the best you can do, take heart - you can still win and win big with that guy.

No, I completely blanked on Romo, Cutler, and Stafford. Whoops.

Personally, I think Rivers is done. Romo and Cutler on their current teams make it difficult for them to reach a SB IMO but they could definitely do it as far as their individual talents go.