Props to CP!!! We essentially got 2 1st rounders for JA!

[DaKCMan AP]

We received the Vikings 1st round pick #17 overall and BOTH of their 3rd round picks (#73 and #82).

Now, follow along here:

If you take the draft value chart, the combined value of the two 3rd round picks is 405 pts which is equivalent to the #17 or #18 pick in the 2nd round this year.

Now, a 1st round pick NEXT YEAR (2009) is equivalent to a 2nd round pick THIS YEAR (2008), meaning the #17 or #18 pick in the 2nd round is equivalent to the #17 or #18 pick overall in 2009.

Strictly from a draft value chart standard, we received the #17 overall pick in 2008 and the #17 or #18 pick overall in 2009.

Just giving credit where credit is due, and we are in great position now (if our draft board is setup correctly - a big if) to get SEVEN (7) of the top 100 players in the draft.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Yep, that moron spent his second 4th on the guy, that just turned into a 1st and two 3rds for Hermie.

Waiting on the "he was only drafted to be a long snapper" bull shit.

Yeah, that almost makes up for Ryan Sims, Eddie Freeman, Junior Siavii, Kris Wilson, Julian Battle, Kawika Mitchell, and the fact that he wanted some stiff instead of Larry Johnson.

[88TG88]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Its a pipe dream to say this is the same as 2 1st. I'd rather have 2 3rd than one 2nd based on the curse of the 2nd rounder for the Chiefs.

Dave

I agree

[alanm]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It's been TWO YEARS.

How do you evaluate a draft class in less than two years?

Again, people are letting their hate for Herm and Peterson cloud the issue.

We have 6 of the first 82 picks in the draft.

It's one of the deepest drafts on record at positions we desperately need.

This draft class will do more for the rebirth of the Kansas City Chiefs than Jared Allen alone could ever do.

I know and understand your points to a fault.
Buy the way I feel at the moment with the Chiefs has me lacking in confidence that they will execute a good draft.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by alanm

I know and understand your points to a fault.
Buy the way I feel at the moment with the Chiefs has me lacking in confidence that they will execute a good draft.

Then there's absolutely no reason to be a fan. Not trying to be a dick, but it's true.

You build a Championship team through the draft.

If you don't trust the execution of that draft, you don't trust that they'll EVER win a Championship.

If that's the case, why waste your time?

You're obviously not getting any enjoyment out of it.

[Adept Havelock]

Originally Posted by alanm

I know and understand your points to a fault.
Buy the way I feel at the moment with the Chiefs has me lacking in confidence that they will execute a good draft.

Right there with you. Don't mind the folks who tell you to give up because you don't BELIEVE!

It's got to be faith, as Carl and Herm's track record sure don't show anything to base it on. I've never been much for blind faith or wishful thinking contrary to history, but that's me.

We outlasted Steadman, we can outlast Peterson. Someday this franchise will have decent leadership (I hope). I won't give up on a team I've backed since the 60's, and I doubt you will either.

I just stopped spending money on it until that change arrives.

[ChiefaRoo]

I'm glad the big dumb cowboy is gone. Mark my words he's going to get a leg injury. He will break down in the next two seasons. Don't get me wrong I hope he doesn't but the way he is built and plays exposes his legs to blockers. I think this will be an outstanding trade IF KC drafts well.

[Boozer76]

Hey guys, Your resident infrequent friendly Jets fan checking in to weigh in my 2 cents.

This move has it's pros and cons to both sidesw. First off, what the heck are the Vikings thinking? Does anyone really believe they were a solid pass rushing DE away from being a true top tier NFC contender? I certainly don't, but I digress....

On the bad side of this trade-As good as prospects like Chris Long and Gholston look, there's no way that either one will step in and produce as well as Allen has. Not as a rookie. With this trade going down, it almost forces the Ciefs to replace him with their 5th overall pick. Will Chris Long or Gholston and a mid round pick be better than Allen and a 5th overall pick? I doubt it. As for the 3rd rounders, yes they are a nice addition. But 3rd rounders tend to be 50/50 crap shoots for the most part. For every stud drafted in the 3rd round there are 100 Derrick Straits playing in the CFL within just a few years of being drafted.

On the good side-Allen is one infraction from sitting out a full season. That is a costly risk for a guy who is now the highest paid DE in football. Furthermore, if Peterson and Herm manage to strike gold with 2 players in the first round alone, they will be much better off in the long term. If the 3rd rounders turn out to be decent contributors as well it really can be a big help to turn the Chiefs back into the powerhouse they once were along with those first rounders.

All in all, what I really think this deal does is puts both Herm and CP's jobs on the line. To trade the most prolific guy on your D, and arguably on the entire team is a very risky move. They had better have done their homework in this draft and get a couple prolific players in the first round. If their draft picks don't become studs and Allen lights it up in Minny then CP and DuhHerm are going to be out the door.

Either way, good luck to you guys in the draft and if at all possible, let Chris Long slide past you to the Jets .

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by Boozer76

Hey guys, Your resident infrequent friendly Jets fan checking in to weigh in my 2 cents.

This move has it's pros and cons to both sidesw. First off, what the heck are the Vikings thinking? Does anyone really believe they were a solid pass rushing DE away from being a true top tier NFC contender? I certainly don't, but I digress....

On the bad side of this trade-As good as prospects like Chris Long and Gholston look, there's no way that either one will step in and produce as well as Allen has. Not as a rookie. With this trade going down, it almost forces the Ciefs to replace him with their 5th overall pick. Will Chris Long or Gholston and a mid round pick be better than Allen and a 5th overall pick? I doubt it. As for the 3rd rounders, yes they are a nice addition. But 3rd rounders tend to be 50/50 crap shoots for the most part. For every stud drafted in the 3rd round there are 100 Derrick Straits playing in the CFL within just a few years of being drafted.

On the good side-Allen is one infraction from sitting out a full season. That is a costly risk for a guy who is now the highest paid DE in football. Furthermore, if Peterson and Herm manage to strike gold with 2 players in the first round alone, they will be much better off in the long term. If the 3rd rounders turn out to be decent contributors as well it really can be a big help to turn the Chiefs back into the powerhouse they once were along with those first rounders.

All in all, what I really think this deal does is puts both Herm and CP's jobs on the line. To trade the most prolific guy on your D, and arguably on the entire team is a very risky move. They had better have done their homework in this draft and get a couple prolific players in the first round. If their draft picks don't become studs and Allen lights it up in Minny then CP and DuhHerm are going to be out the door.

Either way, good luck to you guys in the draft and if at all possible, let Chris Long slide past you to the Jets .

Pretty good post. I agree with alot of what you said.

[Chief Wiggum]

I know this is the minority opinion on this thread right now, but I don't think it's that much of a stretch to say JA is in the same leagues as DT. Here me out: I don't think JA is as good as DT was, however, JA didn't have the threat opposite of him that DT did with Neil Smith. Let's face it, Hali last year was a liability when teams realized they could run on him - they shifted blocking protection to JAs side because of it. Smith could really bring it and teams couldn't shift blockers as much to help on Thomas.

Further, DT's numbers fell off when Smith left and he was being called out as a liability against the run (although, the same could arguably be said about Allen). Also, I discount the fact that JA had no sacks in the 4th quarter this year. An important statistic, yes, but skewed by the fact teams were running the ball more trying to run out the clock against us.

Look, I don't think JA is as good as DT, but I think he's about the closest we've had to him since DT's death. I hope the picks we have this year pan out. I do have faith in Herm and Kuharich having a decent draft. I just know how hard cornerstone DEs are to come by.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by Chief Wiggum

I know this is the minority opinion on this thread right now, but I don't think it's that much of a stretch to say JA is in the same leagues as DT. Here me out: I don't think JA is as good as DT was, however, JA didn't have the threat opposite of him that DT did with Neil Smith. Let's face it, Hali last year was a liability when teams realized they could run on him - they shifted blocking protection to JAs side because of it. Smith could really bring it and teams couldn't shift blockers as much to help on Thomas.

Further, DT's numbers fell off when Smith left and he was being called out as a liability against the run (although, the same could arguably be said about Allen). Also, I discount the fact that JA had no sacks in the 4th quarter this year. An important statistic, yes, but skewed by the fact teams were running the ball more trying to run out the clock against us.

Look, I don't think JA is as good as DT, but I think he's about the closest we've had to him since DT's death. I hope the picks we have this year pan out. I do have faith in Herm and Kuharich having a decent draft. I just know how hard cornerstone DEs are to come by.

That's a fair approach. I tend to agree.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

We received the Vikings 1st round pick #17 overall and BOTH of their 3rd round picks (#73 and #82).

Now, follow along here:

If you take the draft value chart, the combined value of the two 3rd round picks is 405 pts which is equivalent to the #17 or #18 pick in the 2nd round this year.

Now, a 1st round pick NEXT YEAR (2009) is equivalent to a 2nd round pick THIS YEAR (2008), meaning the #17 or #18 pick in the 2nd round is equivalent to the #17 or #18 pick overall in 2009.

Strictly from a draft value chart standard, we received the #17 overall pick in 2008 and the #17 or #18 pick overall in 2009.

Just giving credit where credit is due, and we are in great position now (if our draft board is setup correctly - a big if) to get SEVEN (7) of the top 100 players in the draft.

All this for a fourth round long snapper, brilliant! He didn't even preform as a long snapper Ha ha ha.