The Browns should only take a QB in the 2014 first round if he's a sure thing

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by -King-

Draft the best player available then.

Drafting a player just to draft a player gives you:

Trading for backups and signing middling veterans ALSO gives you that list, big guy.

Detmer
Wynn
Pederson
Holcomb
McCown
Garcia
Dilfer
Gradkowski
Delhomme
Wallace

All of those guys weren't drafted by the Browns. And a bunch of them, like Holcomb, Garcia, Dilfer, and Delhomme were acquired as stop-gaps so that the franchise could "learn to win" a little bit before finding a long-term answer at QB.

That list represents a mountain of a franchise failure more than it damns any one particular QB-developing strategy.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by KC_Lee

Or...

DeBerg
Pelluer (sp?)
Vlassic
Krieg
Montana (once in a lifetime)
Bono
Grbac
Green
Huard
Cassel

smegma

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by SNR

Trading for backups and signing middling veterans ALSO gives you that list, big guy.

Detmer
Wynn
Pederson
Holcomb
McCown
Garcia
Dilfer
Gradkowski
Delhomme
Wallace

All of those guys weren't drafted by the Browns. And a bunch of them, like Holcomb, Garcia, Dilfer, and Delhomme were acquired as stop-gaps so that the franchise could "learn to win" a little bit before finding a long-term answer at QB.

That list represents a mountain of a franchise failure more than it damns any one particular QB-developing strategy.

Fine. Take out your QBs.

This is what happens when you draft a QB just to draft a QB.


http://www.businessinsider.com/brown...ce-1999-2013-9

The Cleveland Browns Named Their 19th Starting Quarterback Since 1999
George Sitaras Sep. 18, 2013, 3:41 PM 711 1


The Browns are 0-2 and once again are last in the division. To make matters worse, now they are without their starting quarterback.

The team announced today that former Patriot Brian Hoyer will get the start on Sunday after starter Brandon Weeden sustained a sprained right thumb against the Ravens last weekend.

Whether through free agency, transactions, or the draft, the Browns have had a rough time finding a franchise quarterback and still are without one after 15 years.

Here some of the Browns most notable quarterbacks that were supposed to turn the organization around, starting with the 1999 number one overall pick.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/brown...#ixzz2fLYwaizj

[GoChargers]

I wouldn't be frustrated at all if I were a Browns fan - I'd be happy that the Colts overpaid to that degree and set up a very bright future for Cleveland.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

I wouldn't be frustrated at all if I were a Browns fan - I'd be happy that the Colts overpaid to that degree and set up a very bright future for Cleveland.

Not sure if possible

[Mav]

Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint

Not sure if possible

LOL. First time I have laughed all day.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

I wouldn't be frustrated at all if I were a Browns fan - I'd be happy that the Colts overpaid to that degree and set up a very bright future for Cleveland.

Again. The correct moves have to be made. They traded down from 6 to 26, then traded back up with the Chiefs to 21 to take Phil Taylor, and then with the other first they got from that trade, they took Brandon WEEDEN.

Trent Richardson was a player that many saw as a potent weapon. He got off to a slow start because they are starting a back up fringe nfl right tackle, at guard. They don't have a true blocking fullback, or a true blocking tight end on the roster.

They also played two really good defenses to start the season in Baltimore, and Miami.

Browns fans like myself can only see this as a white flag to the season.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Again. The correct moves have to be made. They traded down from 6 to 26, then traded back up with the Chiefs to 21 to take Phil Taylor, and then with the other first they got from that trade, they took Brandon WEEDEN.

Trent Richardson was a player that many saw as a potent weapon. He got off to a slow start because they are starting a back up fringe nfl right tackle, at guard. They don't have a true blocking fullback, or a true blocking tight end on the roster.

They also played two really good defenses to start the season in Baltimore, and Miami.

Browns fans like myself can only see this as a white flag to the season.

You could become the 2013 "King of the N00bs". That would really piss people off.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Adrian Peterson: Top 10 Pick
Jamaal Charles: 3rd round
McCoy: 2nd round
Foster: UDFA
Forte: 2nd round
MJD: 2nd round
Doug Martin: late first

Those are some of your best RBs in the game. Running backs are like linebackers--you don't need a really high pick to find a great one, and a lot of the first rounders end up being really, really overrated.

[notorious]

Now that Baldwin's gone, I don't bitch about anything any more.

[Marcellus]

, the team that drafted Weeden and Couch should just make sure to draft a QB in the 1st.

JFC you couldnt use a franchise with a worse QB drafting record to try to make a point.

Thread fail.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

, the team that drafted Weeden and Couch should just make sure to draft a QB in the 1st.

JFC you couldnt use a franchise with a worse QB drafting record to try to make a point.

Thread fail.

See Post #127

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by SNR

See Post #127

Anyone who thinks "just make sure to draft a 1st round QB" is the right answer is a dumbass.

Just like its not smart to never draft one.

Don't be obtuse.

Nobody here is "scared" to draft a 1st round QB, I wish posers would stop trying to sell that shit.

You do have to look at where you are drafting and have a plan, you dont just do it to do it. That rule doesn't apply to anything else in life, why people think that's just fine for drafting QB's is beyond me.

Its pure ignorant.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Anyone who thinks "just make sure to draft a 1st round QB" is the right answer is a dumbass.

Just like its not smart to never draft one.

Don't be obtuse.

Nobody here is "scared" to draft a 1st round QB, I wish posers would stop trying to sell that shit.

You do have to look at where you are drafting and have a plan, you dont just do it to do it. That rule doesn't apply to anything else in life, why people think that's just fine for drafting QB's is beyond me.

Its pure ignorant.

"Don't just do it to do it."

THAT'S the language I disagree with. Post #127 just as easily shows that bringing in veterans and experienced backups is just as much of a crapshoot at righting the team's ship as it is to draft with the intent of finding your starting QB of the future.

Yes, you have to take into account a team's strengths and weaknesses. Yes, you have to be comfortable with the guy you're drafting. But generally, if you're in a position to decide if you should draft a franchise QB or not in the top 10, your team doesn't have very much going for it.

In Cleveland's case, there are some pieces to work with on defense. They have an offensive line. But they have no skill position players. And that's always kind of been their story. Veterans haven't turned shit around any more than their QB busts they've had.

So "don't do it just to do it" doesn't always safeguard against failure. And sometimes it's possible to put your team in an even DEEPER shit hole than it's already in if your safe non-QB isn't what you expected.

[tooge]

Originally Posted by SNR

"Don't just do it to do it."

THAT'S the language I disagree with. Post #127 just as easily shows that bringing in veterans and experienced backups is just as much of a crapshoot at righting the team's ship as it is to draft with the intent of finding your starting QB of the future.

Yes, you have to take into account a team's strengths and weaknesses. Yes, you have to be comfortable with the guy you're drafting. But generally, if you're in a position to decide if you should draft a franchise QB or not in the top 10, your team doesn't have very much going for it.

In Cleveland's case, there are some pieces to work with on defense. They have an offensive line. But they have no skill position players. And that's always kind of been their story. Veterans haven't turned shit around any more than their QB busts they've had.

So "don't do it just to do it" doesn't always safeguard against failure. And sometimes it's possible to put your team in an even DEEPER shit hole than it's already in if your safe non-QB isn't what you expected.

More importantly, you have to have some incredible luck as well. You have to have the number one pick when there is a QB that is worth taking at #1, like Manning or Luck. Or, you have to have an incredible streak of luck like the Patriots did, or the Rams did with Warner.

Neither of those teams thought they were getting HOF quarterbacks when they signed Brady and Warner, yet those two QB's have been in the superbowl a combined 6 times in the past 14 years, or almost half of the time (two against each other of course).