If Cutler falls to #20 - Page 5

ChiefsCountry · 04-24-2006, 10:41 PM

do we take a chance on him? A potential franchise quarterback. Him and LJ could make a darn good backfield. Or do we pass and do the defense thing.

Tough choice IMO.

eazyb81 · 04-25-2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

if he drops ... we take him

he needs time to develop and with trent green around we have that time.

we aren't 1 first round pick away anyway

at vandy Cutler got the crap pounded out of him ... which may explain some of his recklessness.

I'm not so sure about that.

I would agree with you that it is probably unlikely to find a 1st round pick that will push this team into legit SB contention.

However, what if a guy like Manny Lawson shows the pass rush ability that Shawne Merriman did last year?

What if we draft a player like Jimmy Williams that shows the coverage ability like Carlos Rogers did last year?

The odds say that we probably won't get an impact player like that at #20 this year, but you can never say never. My point is that we certainly could be one 1st round pick away this year.

RedThat · 04-25-2006, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Good post.

Thanks

RedThat · 04-25-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Could have said the same thing about drafting LJ.....

Three years? I think we begin looking to replace him next year...I'd bet he holds onto the job next year.....but by the 2008 season Trent will be 38 yrs old.....

Well, the LJ situation was different. At the time Priest was hurt, and we didn't know if he'd come back?

I still find the LJ pick intriguing, and quite a story. It's amazing how a team drafts a guy to be an insurance policy, and then he is now consider their franchise player. unbelievable.

Yeah I know Trent is getting there in age....but we know he can play for 2 years or more.....We should be looking to draft a QB in either the 2nd or 3rd round....possibly next year, or the year after, imo.

ct · 04-25-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunit35

Vandy vs. Florida on ESPN classic. I haven't watched Cutler play before.

I'd like to hear your thoughts after you watch this game. I've never seem him play either.

Coogs · 04-25-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

if he drops ... we take him

he needs time to develop and with trent green around we have that time.

we aren't 1 first round pick away anyway

at vandy Cutler got the crap pounded out of him ... which may explain some of his recklessness.

A long time ago, I used to go to a lot of Kansas State football games. Steve Grogan took a beating, and you never really saw anything that would tell you he would do very well in the NFL. Yet he did.

And I am not sure how good the KSU team was with Lynn Dickey, although they did beat Nebraska IIRC, but he did OK as an NFL QB too.

So just because Cutler comes from a bad Vandy program does not mean he could not do well.

And, BTW, I also agree that we aren't 1 first round pick away.

htismaqe · 04-25-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

A long time ago, I used to go to a lot of Kansas State football games. Steve Grogan took a beating, and you never really saw anything that would tell you he would do very well in the NFL. Yet he did.

And I am not sure how good the KSU team was with Lynn Dickey, although they did beat Nebraska IIRC, but he did OK as an NFL QB too.

So just because Cutler comes from a bad Vandy program does not mean he could not do well.

And, BTW, I also agree that we aren't 1 first round pick away.

My apprehension with Cutler has nothing to do with him playing for Vandy, playing for a bad team, or taking a beating.

It has everything to do with him displaying, frequently, qualities that I don't want to see in my QB.

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-25-2006, 04:29 PM

BPA yes I'd take him

HerculesRockefell · 04-25-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by oldandslow

The Vikes will take him at 17 if he falls that far.

Count on it.

He won't make it past #15

Mr. Laz · 04-25-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

My apprehension with Cutler has nothing to do with him playing for Vandy, playing for a bad team, or taking a beating.

It has everything to do with him displaying, frequently, qualities that I don't want to see in my QB.

but that beating he was taking often effects those qualities

you watch trent green(or 90% of QB's) ... if he starts getting pressured he will start making bad decisions.

JBucc · 04-25-2006, 05:40 PM

Finally internet came back on. Hell yes we take him if he falls that far.

**Mr. Kotter** · 04-25-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I disagree strongly. I think Cutler has LESS of a shot.

I'd much prefer a smart QB with a little less physical tools.

Trent Green >>>> Jake Plummer

tiptap's article provides some interesting insights into the discussion you and I had about QBs....confirmed my instincts and observations, but doesn't directly refute your points about Cutler necessarily.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/print/3828/

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The quarterback position is especially top heavy. Exactly half of the starting QBs in the NFL (when this data was collected) were drafted in the first round. For whatever reason, the sixth round has been fairly lucrative, but pretty much anything after round one is a long shot. Interestingly, some of the better signal-callers have not been selected in the first four rounds: Tom Brady, Mark Brunell, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Trent Green, and Jake Delhomme. But only Brady has been productive for the team he was originally drafted by. (If the Saints had recognized the potential in either Bulger or Delhomme, they would have been a much better team the last few years. At least the Packers got some compensation for Brunell and Hasselbeck – and seemed to have a pretty productive guy at QB anyway.) The QB position is by far the toughest to fill, and most teams are (and should be) willing to fill it by any means necessary. First round QBs are no sure thing, but anyone picked after the first round appears to be a very long shot that will require several years of development. And even those late round guys that do work out will probably have to move to a new team to be successful. The bottom line here is that until you’ve found your guy you should jump at any opportunity to acquire a quality starter, be it early in the draft, late in the draft, via trade, or through free agency. Don’t pass on a QB early in the draft because you also like a guy that could be had later. If you are really in need of a QB you should probably draft them both.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-26-2006, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HerculesRockefell

He won't make it past #15

He won't make it past #10.

Arizona gets him at 10, or the Rams make the bonehead decision to move up to get him.

Shy of an injury, arrest or death, Cutler goes Top 10.

JBucc · 04-26-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He won't make it past #10.

Arizona gets him at 10, or the Rams make the bonehead decision to move up to get him.

Shy of an injury, arrest or death, Cutler goes Top 10.

I don't get why some mocks have the Rams wanting him. Is Bulger hurt or something cause last time I checked he was pretty good.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-26-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JBucc

I don't get why some mocks have the Rams wanting him. Is Bulger hurt or something cause last time I checked he was pretty good.

Your guess is as good as mine. The sports talk stations here in STL have been riding Linehan's ass for even THINKING of drafting a QB. Of course, this could be one of those "make 'em think we're thinking QB" type of stunts......just to screw with the teams around them.

IMO, the Rams would be foolish NOT to pick either Ngata or Bunkley, provided one of them is there at 11. Combine one of those two with the addition of Glover and their DL starts looking respectable again.

Gotta be a smokescreen.

BigChiefFan · 04-26-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JBucc

I don't get why some mocks have the Rams wanting him. Is Bulger hurt or something cause last time I checked he was pretty good.

New head coach. New head coaches always want their guy, so some are speculating Cutler may be the pick.

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