Chiefs Why I want Mike Martz to be the Chiefs next HC - Page 4

FloridaMan88 · 12-28-2005, 03:22 PM

My reasoning:

1) For all the talk that Martz is a bad coach, he has a 53-32 record as a head coach, and a 3-4 career playoff record. Gregg Williams has a 17-31 career head coaching record. It would be hard pressed to find any prospective coach who is going to be available this offseason (and I still think Fisher stays in Tennessee) with the NFL head coaching record that Martz has.

2) Martz would keep the basis of the Chiefs' current successful offensive system in place and would probably enhance the passing game by upgrading the WR position, making the Chiefs passing game more explosive. Also Martz and Trent Green have a history together and a positive relationship, which is important considering Trent will probably be the Chiefs starting QB for another 2 seasons at least IMO.

3) Martz has a proven track record of developing QBs (see Trent Green, which goes back to his days in Washington, Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger) and would be able to develop a young QB to eventually replace Trent Green.

4) All the gushing over Gregg Williams, people are forgetting how horrible he was as a head coach in Buffalo. That 3rd year where he had the players in place on defense that he had wanted, the Bills completely fell apart, finishing 6-10. All he's proven in Washington is that he's a good defensive coordinator, but nothing that would suggest he would be a better head coach if he were given a second chance.

5) Looking at college ranks, really no one stands out to me. I don't think Carroll will leave USC this offseason and I don't think Stoops would make a good NFL head coach (especially considering he is overrated as a college coach, see how Pete Caroll and Nick Saban toyed with and humiliated him in the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl the past 2 years). Not to mention, also that Stoops has zero NFL coaching experience.

6) I think Martz could be a guy who helps turn around the Chiefs defense. After his first year as head coach of the Rams, he led the Rams focus that offseason towards dramatically improving their defense, and he hired Lovie Smith to be DC. The following season the Rams finished in the top 10 in total defense and allowed 200 less points that season than they did the season before (second most dramatic improvement in NFL history). I'm not arguing that Martz was the main reason behind that improvement and I'm sure Lovie Smith was probably the main reason why, but Martz was the one who hired Lovie Smith and Martz led the initiative to dramatically improve the Rams defense that offseason.

kcxiv · 12-28-2005, 07:07 PM

He plays to wide open, he will get trent green killed. look what he has done to all his quarterbacks. NO THX

Jim Jones · 12-28-2005, 07:22 PM

Mike Martz would probably be the worst possible hire we could make.

FloridaMan88 · 12-28-2005, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

Dick had proven track record when he came to the Chiefs, and where the hell has that gotten the Chiefs?

I wonder if Bills fans, back in '85 or '86 thought the same about Marv Levy when he was hired, as some Chiefs fans think of Greg(with another g) Williams?

You are comparing Marv Levy to Gregg Williams?

The Chiefs improved each year under Levy until that final season that was derailed by the players' strike.

Gregg Williams in his third season in Buffalo after an offseason in which Buffalo was aggressive in upgrading their defense, and went into that season with Super Bowl aspirations, went 6-10. He never had a winning record as head coach.

FloridaMan88 · 12-28-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

He plays to wide open, he will get trent green killed. look what he has done to all his quarterbacks. NO THX

Yeah look what he's done with his QBs...

Developed Trent Green into a Pro Bowl caliber QB

Developed Kurt Warner into a Super Bowl MVP

Developed Marc Bulger into a Pro Bowl caliber QB.

Gee that is so terrible

milkman · 12-28-2005, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

You are comparing Marv Levy to Gregg Williams?

The Chiefs improved each year under Levy until that final season that was derailed by the players' strike.

Gregg Williams in his third season in Buffalo after an offseason in which Buffalo was aggressive in upgrading their defense, and went into that season with Super Bowl aspirations, went 6-10. He never had a winning record as head coach.

Yes, I am drawing that comparison.

People blame Williams for that season, but fail to remember that Bledsoe was his QB, and he was protected by a crappy O-Line, with a couple of injuries, and couple of high picks that never lived up to expectations.

They complain that he got conservative, and that cost them.

But he had no friggen' choice.

That conservative label was placed on Levy, and it led to that poor record in a strike shortened season.

Like Williams in Buffalo, Levy's conservative approach was dictated by terrible offensive talent.

milkman · 12-28-2005, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Yeah look what he's done with his QBs...

Developed Trent Green into a Pro Bowl caliber QB

Developed Kurt Warner into a Super Bowl MVP

Developed Marc Bulger into a Pro Bowl caliber QB.

Gee that is so terrible

Yeah, he developed them.

Then he nearly got 'em killed.

Martz is a freakin' Moron.

listopencil · 12-28-2005, 07:56 PM

I could see Martz as an OC with a level-headed HC to balance him out.

Halfcan · 12-28-2005, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartggod

No f***ing way!

My thoughts exactly-I hate that bundle of sticks!

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-28-2005, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Developed Trent Green into a Pro Bowl caliber QB

Wha? Green was in St. Louis for all of 2 seasons. One of which was on IR. Martz didn't develop shit...

milkman · 12-28-2005, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Wha? Green was in St. Louis for all of 2 seasons. One of which was on IR. Martz didn't develop shit...

Martz was his QB coach in DC before he went to StL as OC.

Hammock Parties · 12-28-2005, 08:35 PM

His defense has been ranked 23rd or WORSE 4 out of 6 years in St. Louis.

NO THANKS.

Chiefs Pantalones · 12-28-2005, 08:40 PM

Why I want KCChiefsfan88 banned...

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Why I want Mike Martz to be the next HC...My reasoning:

1) For all the talk that Martz is a bad coach, he has a 53-32 record as a head coach, and a 3-4 career playoff record. Gregg Williams has a 17-31 career head coaching record. It would be hard pressed to find any prospective coach who is going to be available this offseason (and I still think Fisher stays in Tennessee) with the NFL head coaching record that Martz has.

2) Martz would keep the basis of the Chiefs' current successful offensive system in place and would probably enhance the passing game by upgrading the WR position, making the Chiefs passing game more explosive. Also Martz and Trent Green have a history together and a positive relationship, which is important considering Trent will probably be the Chiefs starting QB for another 2 seasons at least IMO.

3) Martz has a proven track record of developing QBs (see Trent Green, which goes back to his days in Washington, Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger) and would be able to develop a young QB to eventually replace Trent Green.

4) All the gushing over Gregg Williams, people are forgetting how horrible he was as a head coach in Buffalo. That 3rd year where he had the players in place on defense that he had wanted, the Bills completely fell apart, finishing 6-10. All he's proven in Washington is that he's a good defensive coordinator, but nothing that would suggest he would be a better head coach if he were given a second chance.

5) Looking at college ranks, really no one stands out to me. I don't think Carroll will leave USC this offseason and I don't think Stoops would make a good NFL head coach (especially considering he is overrated as a college coach, see how Pete Caroll and Nick Saban toyed with and humiliated him in the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl the past 2 years). Not to mention, also that Stoops has zero NFL coaching experience.

6) I think Martz could be a guy who helps turn around the Chiefs defense. After his first year as head coach of the Rams, he led the Rams focus that offseason towards dramatically improving their defense, and he hired Lovie Smith to be DC. The following season the Rams finished in the top 10 in total defense and allowed 200 less points that season than they did the season before (second most dramatic improvement in NFL history). I'm not arguing that Martz was the main reason behind that improvement and I'm sure Lovie Smith was probably the main reason why, but Martz was the one who hired Lovie Smith and Martz led the initiative to dramatically improve the Rams defense that offseason.

KCinNY · 12-28-2005, 08:41 PM

Although I'm certain Carl wouldn't give Martz the time of day...I'd take him over Williams or Edwards.

Personally, I'd love to see Jeff Fisher brought in, but I ain't gettin' my hopes up.

Chiefs Pantalones · 12-28-2005, 08:43 PM

I really hope Rivera is given a chance here...

**the Talking Can** · 12-28-2005, 08:45 PM

Martz is the human equivelant of a reerun...

12-28-2005, 03:22 PM
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $3182906	Why I want Mike Martz to be the Chiefs next HC My reasoning: 1) For all the talk that Martz is a bad coach, he has a 53-32 record as a head coach, and a 3-4 career playoff record. Gregg Williams has a 17-31 career head coaching record. It would be hard pressed to find any prospective coach who is going to be available this offseason (and I still think Fisher stays in Tennessee) with the NFL head coaching record that Martz has. 2) Martz would keep the basis of the Chiefs' current successful offensive system in place and would probably enhance the passing game by upgrading the WR position, making the Chiefs passing game more explosive. Also Martz and Trent Green have a history together and a positive relationship, which is important considering Trent will probably be the Chiefs starting QB for another 2 seasons at least IMO. 3) Martz has a proven track record of developing QBs (see Trent Green, which goes back to his days in Washington, Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger) and would be able to develop a young QB to eventually replace Trent Green. 4) All the gushing over Gregg Williams, people are forgetting how horrible he was as a head coach in Buffalo. That 3rd year where he had the players in place on defense that he had wanted, the Bills completely fell apart, finishing 6-10. All he's proven in Washington is that he's a good defensive coordinator, but nothing that would suggest he would be a better head coach if he were given a second chance. 5) Looking at college ranks, really no one stands out to me. I don't think Carroll will leave USC this offseason and I don't think Stoops would make a good NFL head coach (especially considering he is overrated as a college coach, see how Pete Caroll and Nick Saban toyed with and humiliated him in the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl the past 2 years). Not to mention, also that Stoops has zero NFL coaching experience. 6) I think Martz could be a guy who helps turn around the Chiefs defense. After his first year as head coach of the Rams, he led the Rams focus that offseason towards dramatically improving their defense, and he hired Lovie Smith to be DC. The following season the Rams finished in the top 10 in total defense and allowed 200 less points that season than they did the season before (second most dramatic improvement in NFL history). I'm not arguing that Martz was the main reason behind that improvement and I'm sure Lovie Smith was probably the main reason why, but Martz was the one who hired Lovie Smith and Martz led the initiative to dramatically improve the Rams defense that offseason.
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