Chiefs Gonzalez needs to come home - Page 11

Carlota69 · 10-28-2013, 12:00 PM

Im all for it. yes, we need a WR as well, but this is a TE driven offense, and Alex is better with a TE, especailly one who can help with the oLINE. Obviously a WR wouldnt be nearly as impactful with AS at the helm.

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dbAVA?u...as-city-chiefs

The Kansas City Chiefs beat the Cleveland Browns 23-17 on Sunday. The Chiefs didn’t play especially well, but were still able to hold off a mediocre team, lead by a below average QB and win by six points in Arrowhead. It was a “meh” performance against a “meh” team. While every win counts the same in the win column, this game did nothing to silence the doubters out there that think the Chiefs’ undefeated record is more the product of an easy schedule than an elite team.

Meanwhile, the Atlanta Falcons dropped to an incredibly disappointing 2-5 on the season. This is a team that was the #1 seed in the NFC last season. This team was one win away from playing in a Super Bowl. They were so close last season, that despite his intent to retire, Hall of Fame TE Tony Gonzalez was talked into coming back for one more chance at a Super Bowl. Now their season appears to be over.

Tuesday is the NFL trade deadline.

Do I need to connect the dots any more than that?

There is simply NO good reason for this trade not to happen. Here’s why:

1. The Chiefs Need Gonzalez

The Chiefs offense isn’t bad, it’s average. They are 16th in the NFL in yards per game and 13th in the NFL in points per game. For all the grief that the offense has taken you’d think they were at the bottom of the league. If they are average without Gonzalez, he could be the piece that put’s them over the top. Alex Smith loves to throw safe passes to the TE. Vernon Davis was his run away favorite target in San Francisco. Andy Reid’s West Coast Offense features the TE, that’s why they signed Anthony Fasano and spent a high draft pick on Travis Kelce. With Kelce injured, they could easily fit Gonzalez into the TE rotation. While Fasano is a nice safety valve and Sean McGrath has been a solid find, neither of them are players that defenses have to game plan for. Gonzalez would take some attention away from Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe and allow them more freedom to make plays.

2. The Falcons Don’t Have Anything To Gain From Keeping Gonzalez

The Falcons are done. Some will say they still have nine games to go and anything can happen, but if you look at their remaining schedule there are just too many tough games remaining. The Falcons still have to play Carolina twice, the Seahawks, the Saints, the Packers, and the 49ers. That’s six challenging games remaining for a team with a bad defense, bad offensive line, and injured skill position players. Even if they split those six games (unlikely), just those three loses would give them eight on the season. 8-8 isn’t making the playoffs in the NFC. Gonzalez isn’t coming back for another season. Of course the Falcons have said they aren’t trading Gonzalez. Of course Gonzalez has said he doesn’t want to go anywhere. What else are they going to say? Atlanta actually has an intriguing rookie TE that they could give extended playing time with Gonzalez gone in Levine Toilolo. The 6’8″ 265 lbs rookie from Stanford already has 2 TDs in limited playing time this season. They also have another pass catching option at TE in former Mizzou TE Chase Coffman. At this point, the Falcons are playing for next year and Gonzalez will not be there next year. The players that would get playing time in his absence will be. So will the player that they would draft with the pick they acquire for Gonzalez.

3. The Price Tag For Gonzalez Will Not Be Too High

I understand that KC shouldn’t sell the farm to get a 37 year old TE for 8 games. Atlanta knows that. They aren’t going to ask for a 3rd rounder for a player that is retiring from the NFL in 8 games. I truly believe that Gonzalez could be had for a 6th round draft pick, 5th rounder tops. The Chiefs drafted a FB that didn’t even make the roster in the 6th round this year. Late round draft picks are crap shoots. Gonzalez is a proven commodity.

4. Salary Cap Space Can Be Found

I’ve heard a lot of people say this trade can’t happen because KC doesn’t have the cap space. I’ll admit that I’m not an expert “capoligist”, but it seems to me this could be resolved by cutting ties with Dunta Robinson. I like Dunta. He seems to have a good attitude and work ethic, but with the rise of Marcus Cooper I don’t see anyway they keep Robinson and his salary around next season. I know it will cost KC some dead money, but if he’s going to be gone next season anyway, I’d rather have 8 games of Tony Gonzalez than 8 games of Dunta Robinson cheering on Marcus Cooper from the sidelines.

5. The Timing Is Right

The Chiefs head to Buffalo next week and could work in a handful of plays to get Gonzalez a little action while Fasano and McGrath continue to get most of the snaps. Then KC has their bye week which is the absolute PERFECT time to get Gonzalez up to speed. Gonzalez has been around for SO long that I guarantee there isn’t anything in Reid’s playbook that he hasn’t seen before. He just needs to get on the same page with the terminology. After the bye week the Chiefs have their biggest game of the year to that point when they go to Denver. How perfect would it be for Denver to have to game plan for Gonzalez when they haven’t had a chance to see how KC is going to use him yet? Denver’s defense has struggled already and having to defend Charles, Bowe, and Gonzalez should give them fits.

6. Seasons Like This Don’t Come Along Very Often

As much as we all like to think that this season is just the beginning of many winning years in the Andy Reid / John Dorsey era, there simply aren’t any guarantees that the Chiefs will be in this good of position again. The Chiefs are on pace for the #1 seed and homefield advantage in the playoffs. Easy schedule or not, the Chiefs need to do EVERYTHING in their power to capitalize on this opportunity. KC has found ways to win and that is commendable, but they must continue to find ways to improve if they want to win a Super Bowl. Gonzalez makes them better. No 8-0 team should be focused solely on the future. An 8-0 team should be focused on trying to win it all.

7. It’s Just Too Poetic To Pass Up

Tony Gonzalez is the greatest tight end to ever play the game. He spent the bulk of his career in Kansas City. There are still hundreds of 88 jerseys at Arrowhead every Sunday. Yes, he decided he didn’t want to deal with Scott Pioli and Todd Haley. Based on what we now know, can you blame him for wanting to go to a contender instead of dealing with those two? I know some KC fans are still holding a grudge, but I have a hard time believing that if 88 came running out of the tunnel back in KC red and gold that there would be a single fan in Arrowhead that wouldn’t go nuts. Anyone want to actually say that if Tony Gonzalez was dunking that ball over the goalpost after a TD against the Broncos, you would say “I still don’t forgive him for leaving!” This is the ultimate hollywood ending. Gonzalez returning to the team he played with for years to make one last Super Bowl run, what could be better than that?

Pick up the phone John Dorsey. Get this done. There just is no reason for it not to. KC players have actually gone on record saying that they’d love to have him back. This is a special team having a special season and bringing in Tony Gonzalez could be the thing that puts this team over the top. Don’t let this opportunity pass you by Mr. Dorsey.

Bring Tony G Back Home To KC Where He Belongs!

As always, thanks for reading and GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

philfree · 10-28-2013, 05:42 PM

I always like Gonzo and he was a great Chief but he moved on to try and win it all but it didn't work out. The last thing I'd want to see is Gonzo jumping ship again. I'd lose all respect for him if he did that.

Otter · 10-28-2013, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I always like Gonzo and he was a great Chief but he moved on to try and win it all but it didn't work out. The last thing I'd want to see is Gonzo jumping ship again. I'd lose all respect for him if he did that.

Yeah, no thx. TG wanted out and got out. Cya

patteeu · 10-28-2013, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja

bottom line is if you can upgrade your team at a reasonable price

I think everyone agrees with this. The sticking points are the degree of upgrade, if any, and the definition of reasonable.

Prison Bitch · 10-28-2013, 06:41 PM

Shit, how about a 1st if we make the Super Bowl. If we went that far, is there really any price too high?

Brock · 10-28-2013, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I always like Gonzo and he was a great Chief but he moved on to try and win it all but it didn't work out. The last thing I'd want to see is Gonzo jumping ship again. I'd lose all respect for him if he did that.

Why does your respect for the player trump your desire to improve the team?

**Iowanian** · 10-28-2013, 06:52 PM

You're right.

Gonzalez needs to go home.....to California to eat some veggie pizza.
He chose to leave for a winner.....it's only fitting that his team sucks and the Chiefs are a contender in his last year.

He was a great Chief and he is still pretty decent but I'm done with that era.

ThaVirus · 10-28-2013, 06:54 PM

I'd take the guy if he could be had for a 5th or less.

I've never met the guy and have only ever heard stories about his douchey demeanor. I don't have any issue with him really (based on what we know now, who here would want to work for Pioli?), but how sweet would it be to win the Super Bowl in his last season?

I mean, winning a ****ing playoff game would be as sweet as sweet gets for us; but shit, that would just be some pretty tasty icing on the cake.

philfree · 10-28-2013, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Why does your respect for the player trump your desire to improve the team?

I don't know but it seems to in some cases. If a trade actually happened I'd cheer for Gonzo. It won't so

**Dave Lane** · 10-28-2013, 07:11 PM

**notorious** · 10-28-2013, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

**** No!

FYP

**Dave Lane** · 10-28-2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

I think everyone agrees with this. The sticking points are the degree of upgrade, if any, and the definition of reasonable.

It's like Alex Smith for a 4th rounder and drafting a rookie I'd a been fully on board.

Strongside · 10-28-2013, 07:16 PM

Rather do this:

REDSKINS ARE AGGRESSIVELY SHOPPING FRED DAVIS

With the trade deadline less than a day away, the Redskins are trying hard to make a deal.

Per a league source, Washington hopes to trade tight end Fred Davis.

The 2012 franchise-tag recipient tore an Achilles tendon last season. He returned under a one-year, $1 million contract, and the Redskins have phased him out of their plans, given the performances of Jordan Reed and Logan Paulsen.

The Redskins, according to the source, are aggressively shopping Davis. If a deal can’t be worked out, there’s a chance Davis will be cut.

If he’s cut after the trade deadline, Davis will be subject to waivers.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ng-fred-davis/

Hammock Parties · 10-28-2013, 07:20 PM

Come home, Tony. We will send you off the right way!

HonestChieffan · 10-28-2013, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree

I always like Gonzo and he was a great Chief but he moved on to try and win it all but it didn't work out. The last thing I'd want to see is Gonzo jumping ship again. I'd lose all respect for him if he did that.

Yup

Hog's Gone Fishin · 10-28-2013, 07:25 PM

Heh. What's funny , or not, Jared Allen and Tony G mentioned on the trading block tonight.

Ain't always greener on the other side , is it ?

10-28-2013, 12:00 PM
Carlota69 MVP Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Las Vegas Casino cash: $9925282	Gonzalez needs to come home Im all for it. yes, we need a WR as well, but this is a TE driven offense, and Alex is better with a TE, especailly one who can help with the oLINE. Obviously a WR wouldnt be nearly as impactful with AS at the helm. http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dbAVA?u...as-city-chiefs The Kansas City Chiefs beat the Cleveland Browns 23-17 on Sunday. The Chiefs didn’t play especially well, but were still able to hold off a mediocre team, lead by a below average QB and win by six points in Arrowhead. It was a “meh” performance against a “meh” team. While every win counts the same in the win column, this game did nothing to silence the doubters out there that think the Chiefs’ undefeated record is more the product of an easy schedule than an elite team. Meanwhile, the Atlanta Falcons dropped to an incredibly disappointing 2-5 on the season. This is a team that was the #1 seed in the NFC last season. This team was one win away from playing in a Super Bowl. They were so close last season, that despite his intent to retire, Hall of Fame TE Tony Gonzalez was talked into coming back for one more chance at a Super Bowl. Now their season appears to be over. Tuesday is the NFL trade deadline. Do I need to connect the dots any more than that? There is simply NO good reason for this trade not to happen. Here’s why: 1. The Chiefs Need Gonzalez The Chiefs offense isn’t bad, it’s average. They are 16th in the NFL in yards per game and 13th in the NFL in points per game. For all the grief that the offense has taken you’d think they were at the bottom of the league. If they are average without Gonzalez, he could be the piece that put’s them over the top. Alex Smith loves to throw safe passes to the TE. Vernon Davis was his run away favorite target in San Francisco. Andy Reid’s West Coast Offense features the TE, that’s why they signed Anthony Fasano and spent a high draft pick on Travis Kelce. With Kelce injured, they could easily fit Gonzalez into the TE rotation. While Fasano is a nice safety valve and Sean McGrath has been a solid find, neither of them are players that defenses have to game plan for. Gonzalez would take some attention away from Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe and allow them more freedom to make plays. 2. The Falcons Don’t Have Anything To Gain From Keeping Gonzalez The Falcons are done. Some will say they still have nine games to go and anything can happen, but if you look at their remaining schedule there are just too many tough games remaining. The Falcons still have to play Carolina twice, the Seahawks, the Saints, the Packers, and the 49ers. That’s six challenging games remaining for a team with a bad defense, bad offensive line, and injured skill position players. Even if they split those six games (unlikely), just those three loses would give them eight on the season. 8-8 isn’t making the playoffs in the NFC. Gonzalez isn’t coming back for another season. Of course the Falcons have said they aren’t trading Gonzalez. Of course Gonzalez has said he doesn’t want to go anywhere. What else are they going to say? Atlanta actually has an intriguing rookie TE that they could give extended playing time with Gonzalez gone in Levine Toilolo. The 6’8″ 265 lbs rookie from Stanford already has 2 TDs in limited playing time this season. They also have another pass catching option at TE in former Mizzou TE Chase Coffman. At this point, the Falcons are playing for next year and Gonzalez will not be there next year. The players that would get playing time in his absence will be. So will the player that they would draft with the pick they acquire for Gonzalez. 3. The Price Tag For Gonzalez Will Not Be Too High I understand that KC shouldn’t sell the farm to get a 37 year old TE for 8 games. Atlanta knows that. They aren’t going to ask for a 3rd rounder for a player that is retiring from the NFL in 8 games. I truly believe that Gonzalez could be had for a 6th round draft pick, 5th rounder tops. The Chiefs drafted a FB that didn’t even make the roster in the 6th round this year. Late round draft picks are crap shoots. Gonzalez is a proven commodity. 4. Salary Cap Space Can Be Found I’ve heard a lot of people say this trade can’t happen because KC doesn’t have the cap space. I’ll admit that I’m not an expert “capoligist”, but it seems to me this could be resolved by cutting ties with Dunta Robinson. I like Dunta. He seems to have a good attitude and work ethic, but with the rise of Marcus Cooper I don’t see anyway they keep Robinson and his salary around next season. I know it will cost KC some dead money, but if he’s going to be gone next season anyway, I’d rather have 8 games of Tony Gonzalez than 8 games of Dunta Robinson cheering on Marcus Cooper from the sidelines. 5. The Timing Is Right The Chiefs head to Buffalo next week and could work in a handful of plays to get Gonzalez a little action while Fasano and McGrath continue to get most of the snaps. Then KC has their bye week which is the absolute PERFECT time to get Gonzalez up to speed. Gonzalez has been around for SO long that I guarantee there isn’t anything in Reid’s playbook that he hasn’t seen before. He just needs to get on the same page with the terminology. After the bye week the Chiefs have their biggest game of the year to that point when they go to Denver. How perfect would it be for Denver to have to game plan for Gonzalez when they haven’t had a chance to see how KC is going to use him yet? Denver’s defense has struggled already and having to defend Charles, Bowe, and Gonzalez should give them fits. 6. Seasons Like This Don’t Come Along Very Often As much as we all like to think that this season is just the beginning of many winning years in the Andy Reid / John Dorsey era, there simply aren’t any guarantees that the Chiefs will be in this good of position again. The Chiefs are on pace for the #1 seed and homefield advantage in the playoffs. Easy schedule or not, the Chiefs need to do EVERYTHING in their power to capitalize on this opportunity. KC has found ways to win and that is commendable, but they must continue to find ways to improve if they want to win a Super Bowl. Gonzalez makes them better. No 8-0 team should be focused solely on the future. An 8-0 team should be focused on trying to win it all. 7. It’s Just Too Poetic To Pass Up Tony Gonzalez is the greatest tight end to ever play the game. He spent the bulk of his career in Kansas City. There are still hundreds of 88 jerseys at Arrowhead every Sunday. Yes, he decided he didn’t want to deal with Scott Pioli and Todd Haley. Based on what we now know, can you blame him for wanting to go to a contender instead of dealing with those two? I know some KC fans are still holding a grudge, but I have a hard time believing that if 88 came running out of the tunnel back in KC red and gold that there would be a single fan in Arrowhead that wouldn’t go nuts. Anyone want to actually say that if Tony Gonzalez was dunking that ball over the goalpost after a TD against the Broncos, you would say “I still don’t forgive him for leaving!” This is the ultimate hollywood ending. Gonzalez returning to the team he played with for years to make one last Super Bowl run, what could be better than that? Pick up the phone John Dorsey. Get this done. There just is no reason for it not to. KC players have actually gone on record saying that they’d love to have him back. This is a special team having a special season and bringing in Tony Gonzalez could be the thing that puts this team over the top. Don’t let this opportunity pass you by Mr. Dorsey. Bring Tony G Back Home To KC Where He Belongs! As always, thanks for reading and GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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10-28-2013, 06:41 PM	#154
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10-28-2013, 06:52 PM	#156
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4758454	You're right. Gonzalez needs to go home.....to California to eat some veggie pizza. He chose to leave for a winner.....it's only fitting that his team sucks and the Chiefs are a contender in his last year. He was a great Chief and he is still pretty decent but I'm done with that era.
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ThaVirus Settle this once and forever Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $2062369	I'd take the guy if he could be had for a 5th or less. I've never met the guy and have only ever heard stories about his douchey demeanor. I don't have any issue with him really (based on what we know now, who here would want to work for Pioli?), but how sweet would it be to win the Super Bowl in his last season? I mean, winning a ****ing playoff game would be as sweet as sweet gets for us; but shit, that would just be some pretty tasty icing on the cake.
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10-28-2013, 07:16 PM	#162
Strongside Mahomes or GTFO Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: KC Casino cash: $6094282	Rather do this: REDSKINS ARE AGGRESSIVELY SHOPPING FRED DAVIS With the trade deadline less than a day away, the Redskins are trying hard to make a deal. Per a league source, Washington hopes to trade tight end Fred Davis. The 2012 franchise-tag recipient tore an Achilles tendon last season. He returned under a one-year, $1 million contract, and the Redskins have phased him out of their plans, given the performances of Jordan Reed and Logan Paulsen. The Redskins, according to the source, are aggressively shopping Davis. If a deal can’t be worked out, there’s a chance Davis will be cut. If he’s cut after the trade deadline, Davis will be subject to waivers. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ng-fred-davis/ __________________
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10-28-2013, 07:20 PM	#163
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4690478	Come home, Tony. We will send you off the right way! __________________ Chiefs game films
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10-28-2013, 07:25 PM	#165
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