Football Jets exploring trade options for Revis? - Page 2

O.city · 01-23-2013, 07:02 PM

If he could be had for a 3rd? Yeah, for sure.

If he's healthy, I'd send out second for him. The guy is a legit shutdown half the field corner.

**BossChief** · 01-23-2013, 07:08 PM

28yrs old (in football terms)
Coming off acl repair
Would be on a 1 year deal and will be looking for the largest contract ever for a cb.
Would require premium compensation in a trade.

I'd love to have him, but I'm not sure about all the costs involved being worth it.

It just sucks that ***** let Carr walk because he didn't want to hurt Flowers feelings...these conversations shouldn't even be taking place.

-King- · 01-23-2013, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

28yrs old (in football terms)
Coming off acl repair
Would be on a 1 year deal and will be looking for the largest contract ever for a cb.
Would require premium compensation in a trade.

I'd love to have him, but I'm not sure about all the costs involved being worth it.

It just sucks that ***** let Carr walk because he didn't want to hurt Flowers feelings...these conversations shouldn't even be taking place.

What?

And wtf is football terms?

**BossChief** · 01-23-2013, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

What?

And wtf is football terms?

Pioli slipped during an interview (I'm not gonna dig it up, just trust me) and mentioned that he let Carr walk because he didn't want Flowers to feel "one upped" by Carr getting a larger contract than him. Silly, I know...but the truth.

"In football terms" meaning we would be trading for a player that is currently 27, but would be 28 by the time the 2013 season starts.

**Easy 6** · 01-23-2013, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I'd love to have him, but I'm not sure about all the costs involved being worth it.

Exactly, who wouldnt want a player like him... but it will be a "the moon & stars" situation.

DJ's left nut · 01-23-2013, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

28yrs old (in football terms)
Coming off acl repair
Would be on a 1 year deal and will be looking for the largest contract ever for a cb.
Would require premium compensation in a trade.

I'd love to have him, but I'm not sure about all the costs involved being worth it.

It just sucks that ***** let Carr walk because he didn't want to hurt Flowers feelings...these conversations shouldn't even be taking place.

Especially when almost everyone 'feels their way' through the first season after the injury.

Revis will be decent in 2013, IMO - but he won't be completely back until 2014 and by then he'll be nearing his 30s and starting to decline.

Revis is a great player, no question. But with the health risks, financial commitment and inevitable decline, he's just not a terribly valuable asset.

I might give up our 3rd for him, but I won't swear by that. We're just not at a point right now where we can give up assets for an immediate fix. In the end, there are teams that are a corner away from being contenders and they have picks in the teens/20s so they can beat us by a round.

The Chiefs would be insane to give up their 2nd for him - but the Packers sure as hell wouldn't. We can't bid with those teams so we should stay out of the running.

O.city · 01-23-2013, 07:11 PM

I just don't view ACL's the same. I think he'll be fine, injury wise.

And he probably deserves the contract he is gonna get, dudes a great cover CB.

You would have the best CB tandem in the league, IMO. Flowers and Revis? Sure. If he's not worth it, who is?

Let me ask this, would you be getting an equal talent if you draft a CB in the second round?

**BossChief** · 01-23-2013, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I just don't view ACL's the same. I think he'll be fine, injury wise.

And he probably deserves the contract he is gonna get, dudes a great cover CB.

You would have the best CB tandem in the league, IMO. Flowers and Revis? Sure. If he's not worth it, who is?

Let me ask this, would you be getting an equal talent if you draft a CB in the second round?

I have no doubts that he will return to be a good player, but the question is how good?...he will want ELITE money, not "really good".

John Dorsey has been able to identify top notch corners in GB in the mid rounds.

I'd rather have a "Tramon Williams" for 10 years at a lower cap rate than a lesser version of Revis for 4, at the largest contract for a corner...especially when you factor in Emmitt Thomas.

O.city · 01-23-2013, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I have no doubts that he will return to be a good player, but the question is how good?...he will want ELITE money, not "really good".

John Dorsey has been able to identify top notch corners in GB in the mid rounds.

I'd rather have a "Tramon Williams" for 10 years at a lower cap rate than a lesser version of Revis for 4, at the largest contract for a corner...especially when you factor in Emmitt Thomas.

Why would he not return to be elite? In this day and age, guys are coming back to be just as good with a new ACL as they were before.

And to be honest, I don't give a **** about the "cap". It can be manipulated either way to make room for guys. Also, it's not my money, so ****ing spend it.

So I'll take the best CB in the league, and draft one later on who can be developed by Emmit Thomas. Hell, you can get a top CB in next years class if you want.

**BossChief** · 01-23-2013, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Why would he not return to be elite? In this day and age, guys are coming back to be just as good with a new ACL as they were before.

And to be honest, I don't give a **** about the "cap". It can be manipulated either way to make room for guys. Also, it's not my money, so ****ing spend it.

So I'll take the best CB in the league, and draft one later on who can be developed by Emmit Thomas. Hell, you can get a top CB in next years class if you want.

Dorsey also went out and got Charles Woodson, so it's possible. I wouldn't be mad as long as we don't move our first rounder.

O.city · 01-23-2013, 07:27 PM

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Dorsey also went out and got Charles Woodson, so it's possible. I wouldn't be mad as long as we don't move our first rounder.

Well, no they can't have the first rounder.

But CB is a huge need. So if you gave a 2nd this year and a 2nd or 3rd next year, you'd be filling a need with BPA so to speak. Yeah, he'd cost more.

**Canofbier** · 01-23-2013, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Why would he not return to be elite? In this day and age, guys are coming back to be just as good with a new ACL as they were before.

And to be honest, I don't give a **** about the "cap". It can be manipulated either way to make room for guys. Also, it's not my money, so ****ing spend it.

So I'll take the best CB in the league, and draft one later on who can be developed by Emmit Thomas. Hell, you can get a top CB in next years class if you want.

As others have mentioned, his age has to factor in at least a little. Given the cost, trade for him wouldn't be worth it unless you sign him to a long-term contract. Considering his talent, it would probably be at least 4 or 5 years long, meaning that you're stuck with an expensive corner for at least a few years after he has potentially passed his prime.

Regarding "not giving a **** about the cap", I think you're oversimplifying the idea of moving money and players around. Signing a guy like Revis to an expensive-long term contract doesn't just mean "moving some guys around"; it could mean not resigning someone like Albert or Bowe, or missing out on a highly sought-after free agent.

I agree with those saying that he's a good player and will probably play well for whatever team he's on next year, but I just don't think that it's worth what is sure to be a very, very high cost.

O.city · 01-23-2013, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Canofbier

As others have mentioned, his age has to factor in at least a little. Given the cost, trade for him wouldn't be worth it unless you sign him to a long-term contract. Considering his talent, it would probably be at least 4 or 5 years long, meaning that you're stuck with an expensive corner for at least a few years after he has passed his prime.

Regarding "not giving a **** about the cap", I think you're oversimplifying the idea of moving money and players around. Signing a guy like Revis to an expensive-long term contract doesn't just mean "moving some guys around"; it could mean not resigning someone like Albert or Bowe, or missing out on a highly sought-after free agent.

I agree with those saying that he's a good player and will probably play well for whatever team he's on next year, but I just don't think that it's worth what is sure to be a very, very high cost.

You mean like the unquestioned best CB in the NFL?

Length of contracts aren't as important, it's all about guaranteed money. We've paid top dollar to shitstains like Cassel and Jackson, yet some of you aren't ok with paying top dollar for hte best CB in the league?

chop · 01-25-2013, 06:48 PM

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Let me ask this, would you be getting an equal talent if you draft a CB in the second round?

You never know. If I remember correctly, Carr was a 4th round pick and everyone wanted to keep him.

**SAUTO** · 01-25-2013, 07:08 PM

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You never know. If I remember correctly, Carr was a 4th round pick and everyone wanted to keep him.

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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2614064	I just don't view ACL's the same. I think he'll be fine, injury wise. And he probably deserves the contract he is gonna get, dudes a great cover CB. You would have the best CB tandem in the league, IMO. Flowers and Revis? Sure. If he's not worth it, who is? Let me ask this, would you be getting an equal talent if you draft a CB in the second round?
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