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Old 09-08-2022, 12:45 PM   Topic Starter
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Underrated thing about the Chiefs in the Dorsey/Veach era: trades.
I had a conversation and it came up that the Chiefs win all their trades.

They sure seem to, right? What trades in the Reid era, which of course includes General Managers John Dorsey and Brett Veach, can we definitively say we lost?

I think the closest you can get is some of the trade-ups in the draft, in particular the 2nd round, under Veach that ended up biting us in the tail and I think you can argue we lost those, but I think that's hard to evaluate.

As far as player-for-player, pick-for-player, or player-for-pick, I can't think of a single trade during this era where you can say "absolutely they lost that one for sure."

Maybe two seconds for Alex Smith? Hard to complain a ton about that, though.
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Old 09-08-2022, 12:46 PM   #2
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Old 09-08-2022, 12:53 PM   #4
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He helped us win a Super Bowl, but it’s hard to argue that we won the Frank Clark trade
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This.
Do we win the Super Bowl without him?

I am not sold that we do.
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Old 09-08-2022, 12:57 PM   #7
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Do we win the Super Bowl without him?

I am not sold that we do.
Probably not if you just subtract Frank Clark, but that’s only half the equation.

It depends on what we use that first round pick and all that cap space on.
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Do we win the Super Bowl without him?

I am not sold that we do.

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He helped us win a Super Bowl, but it’s hard to argue that we won the Frank Clark trade
Let's examine this.

Why do we make trades? To improve our team.

Why? So that we can win a championship.

Frank Clark was a huge part of a culture change on defense. Bringing attitude to the defense.

His playoff run was phenomenal. Ended every game with a sack, and more importantly, talked MAD SHIT on Derrick Henry who had been taking the Souls of opposing defenses to the tune of 200+ rushing yards, and helped hold Henry to 67 yards rushing. After Henry was stoned back to back on 2nd and 1 and 3rd and 1, he never saw the football again in that second half.

Talked MAD SHIT down 10 in the superbowl, even when things looked grim. Frank was shouting yall know what we bout to do. We bout to send yall asses home.

It helped keep the defense in the game. Playing hard instead of folding when the offense kept turning it over.

Has Frank been worth the money? How much does that championship mean to you?

It means everything to me. I have friends and family who died before they could see the Chiefs win it all again. It validated over two decades of loyalty despite soul crushing losses year after year.

Frank was a huge part of making that happen. He was brought in to help win a title. And we won the title.

He hasn't been great since, but we absolutely won that ****ing trade.
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The Alex Smith trade was fine.

It kept us from drafting a bust QB that year. He did help us reclaim the Division.

Plus, we were able to flip out of him for Fuller and a third.
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Oh wait!

I think we traded a 5th for Cameron Erving.
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Oh wait!

I think we traded a 5th for Cameron Erving.
We can laugh now at this trade, but Erving was a former 1st round pick (15), he was still on his rookie contract, and the Chiefs needed backup offensive linemen. Turns out he played a lot more than we planned but without him you really had nobody.
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-Chiefs trade up for Breeland Speaks
-Chiefs trade a 7th or something for that jag Lonnie Johnson just to cut him (who cares)
-Frank Clark trade is debatable
-Marcus Peters for Thornhill + Watts (2nd/4th also debatable even though I'm glad Peters is gone)
-Book is out on Tyreek trade
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Old 09-08-2022, 01:54 PM   #14
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-Chiefs trade up for Breeland Speaks
-Chiefs trade a 7th or something for that jag Lonnie Johnson just to cut him (who cares)
-Frank Clark trade is debatable
-Marcus Peters for Thornhill + Watts (2nd/4th also debatable even though I'm glad Peters is gone)
-Book is out on Tyreek trade
So, what does the book say?

Speaks trade was certainly lost. Clark is a tough one because he was so good in that Super Bowl run.

We won the Peters trade.
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-Chiefs trade up for Breeland Speaks
-Chiefs trade a 7th or something for that jag Lonnie Johnson just to cut him (who cares)
-Frank Clark trade is debatable
-Marcus Peters for Thornhill + Watts (2nd/4th also debatable even though I'm glad Peters is gone)
-Book is out on Tyreek trade
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According to a new report from The Athletic’s Nate Taylor, the Kansas City Chiefs have traded for Houston Texans CB Lonnie Johnson Jr., who recently expressed on social media that he was leaving the Texans. Kansas City sent Houston a conditional 2024 seventh-round draft pick for Johnson.
Since Lonnie Johnson did not make the team, I really doubt that the Chiefs owe Houston anything since it was a conditional trade.
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