Neenah, Wisconsin cops stop men open carry stop

[demonhero]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b59_1384076493



I hate cops. inb4 political board.

[Cephalic Trauma]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Do you walk around in constant fear in concealed carry jurisdictions?

No, I just really like discriminating against people based on appearance.

[Mav]

interesting to see my city on the Chiefs forum.

Didn't expect that lol

[T-post Tom]

Attention whores.

[CrazyPhuD]

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

And, questioning one's sanity when they feel the need to carry a rifle for protection when no imminent danger is present seems to be reasonable to me.

I didn't watch the video I don't have the 18 minutes to waste and frankly I've seen enough open carry videos before, but you do realize that those guys weren't actually choosing to open carry because they felt the need to protect themselves right?

The entire movement is a political one not a self defense one. They open carry to express their political position. That political position is one of self defense doesn't mean that that is even their reason to carry. They are making a political statement when they do this.

Consider what you said in that context, that effectively we should question the sanity of people who are making a political statement because we don't support the political statement that they are making.

Note this isn't the crazies like the ELF who blow shit up in the name of 'protest' or the SLA who killed people to protest. These are non-violent activists and yet you are questioning their sanity because you do not agree with their political message.

Consider how incredibly dangerous that is for everyone regardless of what political position we hold. The very essence of the 1st amendment was written to protect this. Because free expression isn't just for those that have the support of the political establishment. Free expression is for everyone....or it's for no one.

[B2chiefsfan]

Originally Posted by demonhero

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b59_1384076493



I hate cops. inb4 political board.

As a Cop in New Mexico (Open Carry State)... I've dealt with these situaton where someone is carrying in a highly populated area... usually there to waste our time making a "pointless" point in hopes of getting hits on youtube or a possible lawsuit...

or actually shooting it out with fellow Deputies/Officers resulting in one of my Squad Mates fighting to save her leg...!!!!!!!!

Read: www.kob.com/article/stories/s3201841.shtml

[Cephalic Trauma]

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

I didn't watch the video I don't have the 18 minutes to waste and frankly I've seen enough open carry videos before, but you do realize that those guys weren't actually choosing to open carry because they felt the need to protect themselves right?

The entire movement is a political one not a self defense one. They open carry to express their political position. That political position is one of self defense doesn't mean that that is even their reason to carry. They are making a political statement when they do this.

Consider what you said in that context, that effectively we should question the sanity of people who are making a political statement because we don't support the political statement that they are making.

Note this isn't the crazies like the ELF who blow shit up in the name of 'protest' or the SLA who killed people to protest. These are non-violent activists and yet you are questioning their sanity because you do not agree with their political message.

Consider how incredibly dangerous that is for everyone regardless of what political position we hold. The very essence of the 1st amendment was written to protect this. Because free expression isn't just for those that have the support of the political establishment. Free expression is for everyone....or it's for no one.

Okay, fair. But there are much more effective ways of doing so. Most political statements don't have the potential for dangerous consequences. Openly carrying guns does.

This shows a complete lack of acknowledgement for the feelings of those around him. The reality is most people aren't conditioned to look at guns as innocuous. They've caused too many problems, especially when in the wrong hands, for the collective populace to view them as simply a political instrument.

Wear a ****ing "I love guns and the second amendment" shirt or something of that nature. But I do not see the benefit outweighing the potential cost in openly carrying an instrument for political reasons which can have such dangerous consequences based on the discretion of an individual who may have decision-making and/or mental health issues.

[CrazyPhuD]

Originally Posted by B2chiefsfan

As a Cop in New Mexico (Open Carry State)... I've dealt with these situaton where someone is carrying in a highly populated area... usually there to waste our time making a "pointless" point in hopes of getting hits on youtube or a possible lawsuit...

or actually shooting it out with fellow Deputies/Officers resulting in one of my Squad Mates fighting to save her leg...!!!!!!!!

Read: www.kob.com/article/stories/s3201841.shtml

I'm sorry for your friend and colleague it sounds like a terrible incident but I wouldn't say this really was associated with open carry people. The sounds like a crazy and deranged individual who set up an ambush for cops who were just trying to do their jobs. Hopes for a speedy recovery.

http://www.abqjournal.com/293578/new...ing-chase.html

The 911 call that first told Albuquerque police about the ambush that law enforcement officers encountered last Saturday got almost all of the shocking details right: A masked man was waiting for police, dressed in body armor and camouflage, wielding an assault rifle.

It was the detail the caller got wrong that lends more insight into how Christopher Chase, 35, was able to steal a police vehicle, shoot three APD officers and a Bernalillo County Sheriff’s deputy, and lead law enforcement on a massive chase that morning.

At a news briefing Saturday morning, Albuquerque Police Department Chief Allen Banks said the initial call gave the wrong Broadway Boulevard intersection as the site where Chase was waiting for officers. The first officer to arrive sped south on Broadway only to encounter Chase a few blocks earlier than he thought he would.

[B2chiefsfan]

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

I'm sorry for your friend and colleague it sounds like a terrible incident but I wouldn't say this really was associated with open carry people. The sounds like a crazy and deranged individual who set up an ambush for cops who were just trying to do their jobs. Hopes for a speedy recovery.

http://www.abqjournal.com/293578/new...ing-chase.html

Thanks... My point is we have enough on our plate as it is... I'm pro gun as they come (most "Cops" are) but these "pointless" points make the general public nervous and tie up valuable resources... we never know what we're up against until we're knee deep in it...

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

I didn't watch the video I don't have the 18 minutes to waste and frankly I've seen enough open carry videos before, but you do realize that those guys weren't actually choosing to open carry because they felt the need to protect themselves right?

The entire movement is a political one not a self defense one. They open carry to express their political position. That political position is one of self defense doesn't mean that that is even their reason to carry. They are making a political statement when they do this.

Consider what you said in that context, that effectively we should question the sanity of people who are making a political statement because we don't support the political statement that they are making.

Note this isn't the crazies like the ELF who blow shit up in the name of 'protest' or the SLA who killed people to protest. These are non-violent activists and yet you are questioning their sanity because you do not agree with their political message.

Consider how incredibly dangerous that is for everyone regardless of what political position we hold. The very essence of the 1st amendment was written to protect this. Because free expression isn't just for those that have the support of the political establishment. Free expression is for everyone....or it's for no one.

Exactly.

[pr_capone]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I'm fairly certain that open carry does not cover rifles and you need a permit for them, which is why the cops made a point of confirming his CCW license.

You are pretty sure? How about you go double check before posting.

[CrazyPhuD]

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

Okay, fair. But there are much more effective ways of doing so. Most political statements don't have the potential for dangerous consequences. Openly carrying guns does.

This shows a complete lack of acknowledgement for the feelings of those around him. The reality is most people aren't conditioned to look at guns as innocuous. They've caused too many problems, especially when in the wrong hands, for the collective populace to view them as simply a political instrument.

Wear a ****ing "I love guns and the second amendment" shirt or something of that nature. But I do not see the benefit outweighing the potential cost in openly carrying an instrument for political reasons which can have such dangerous consequences based on the discretion of an individual who may have decision-making and/or mental health issues.

Understand I don't personally approve of how the open carry movement is running. Yes you can run an effective protest about attitudes towards guns, BUT it has to be handled VERY carefully and the people who tend to do these things don't do that.

So as a result I tend to think many of these incidents are counter productive and can portray gun owners in a negative light.

Hell if they wanted to do it right they have to understand that

A. Someone is probably going to call the cops...part of that is the point.

B. Don't be a dick to the cops even if they are being dicks. Most of them are just trying to do their jobs. Your issue isn't with the cop on the street it's with the politician in office.

If the cops wants to be a dick about it, the more respectful and reasonable you sound the better image you present to the public especially in contrast to an unreasonable behavior.

C. Personally I wouldn't carry loaded, if you feel the need to have protection then carry a loaded magazine on you but not in the gun. It actually give credibility to the political statement to carry unloaded and realistically if you have a loaded magazine on you, you're not giving up much protection.

Most of the open carry movement is being done by people that come off as extremists not your average gunowner which actually hurts the image in the eyes of the public. That's what they don't realize, this is about image and marketing and you want to sound mainstream not extreme.

Frankly I don't think anyone should feel scared because someone is carrying a gun. It's the behavior that people are doing that should frighten people. In the world of terrorism that we live in that people can hid explosive vest etc, you worry about the person, not what they're carrying.

I'd be curious to see the results of a study. If you were in a mall and you saw one person with a gun would you be scared? Now if you were in a mall and 1/2 the people you saw had a gun, would you be more or less likely to be scared? I'm actually not sure the results of that one, but it would be interesting to know.

It's the herd protection mentality.

[demonhero]

We need to all start wearing hijabs and whatever its called some of the Indians wear, because we are going to use the society has changed bs. I'm going to start calling the cops on you because you aren't wearing a head scarf.

[B2chiefsfan]

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

Understand I don't personally approve of how the open carry movement is running. Yes you can run an effective protest about attitudes towards guns, BUT it has to be handled VERY carefully and the people who tend to do these things don't do that.

So as a result I tend to think many of these incidents are counter productive and can portray gun owners in a negative light.

Hell if they wanted to do it right they have to understand that

A. Someone is probably going to call the cops...part of that is the point.

B. Don't be a dick to the cops even if they are being dicks. Most of them are just trying to do their jobs. Your issue isn't with the cop on the street it's with the politician in office.

If the cops wants to be a dick about it, the more respectful and reasonable you sound the better image you present to the public especially in contrast to an unreasonable behavior.

C. Personally I wouldn't carry loaded, if you feel the need to have protection then carry a loaded magazine on you but not in the gun. It actually give credibility to the political statement to carry unloaded and realistically if you have a loaded magazine on you, you're not giving up much protection.

Most of the open carry movement is being done by people that come off as extremists not your average gunowner which actually hurts the image in the eyes of the public. That's what they don't realize, this is about image and marketing and you want to sound mainstream not extreme.

Frankly I don't think anyone should feel scared because someone is carrying a gun. It's the behavior that people are doing that should frighten people. In the world of terrorism that we live in that people can hid explosive vest etc, you worry about the person, not what they're carrying.

I'd be curious to see the results of a study. If you were in a mall and you saw one person with a gun would you be scared? Now if you were in a mall and 1/2 the people you saw had a gun, would you be more or less likely to be scared? I'm actually not sure the results of that one, but it would be interesting to know.

It's the herd protection mentality.

Several people here carry a sidearm in the general public including malls... it's the unknown person standing on the street corner with a long rifle that makes people unconfortable...

[Strongside]

This thread title sounds like someone reading a telegraph.

"Neenah, WI cops STOP open carry STOP Titanic is sinking STOP send help immediately STOP"

[Eleazar]

You don't need to justify why the government should allow you to possess a firearm.

That's why it's called a "right".