ZMA is the shit

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by NewChief

It's the rage, now. I also know two different local dudes who committed suicide after getting on the shit. People are having kids later. Their kids get in high school/college and they start wanting to become "hip" again because they have more time on their hands to go out and hang with their wives, only they're nearing 50 years old. So they start getting testosterone in order to recapture their youth. While it may work for some, the results aren't always good.

No one kills themselves because of test. Jesus. As noted, there was probably some underlying depression but the amount of test these guys get on HRT is just enough to bring it to normal levels. I mean, I know guys shooting 3+ grams of test a week. Far as I know they are still alive.

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

No one kills themselves because of test. Jesus. As noted, there was probably some underlying depression but the amount of test these guys get on HRT is just enough to bring it to normal levels. I mean, I know guys shooting 3+ grams of test a week. Far as I know they are still alive.

Your anecdotal evidence of "I know a guy" doesn't outweight my "I know a guy." Much like with marijuana, I'm skeptical. I support legalization, but I don't see pot as some kind of cure-all that's going to solve all our problems like many of its fervent advocates preach. I also think that test has legitimate benefits for some people, but I don't think it's some kind of cure all for middle-aged men to feel like studs into their 70s like many of the test advocates preach.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by NewChief

Your anecdotal evidence of "I know a guy" doesn't outweight my "I know a guy." Much like with marijuana, I'm skeptical. I support legalization, but I don't see pot as some kind of cure-all that's going to solve all our problems like many of its fervent advocates preach. I also think that test has legitimate benefits for some people, but I don't think it's some kind of cure all for middle-aged men to feel like studs into their 70s like many of the test advocates preach.

If they are low it will.

And I have like decade after decade of research to back my stance up actually. Those men killed themselves probably due to other reasons. I'm not sure how putting a hormone in your body that already exists, to a normal amount, would make you suicidal. Again, there had to be other underlying issues.

Agree totally on the marijuana part. Total for legalizing it, but mainly for the economy. Not because I think it has all these wonderful properties about it.

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

If they are low it will.

And I have like decade after decade of research to back my stance up actually. Those men killed themselves probably due to other reasons. I'm not sure how putting a hormone in your body that already exists, to a normal amount, would make you suicidal. Again, there had to be other underlying issues.

Agree totally on the marijuana part. Total for legalizing it, but mainly for the economy. Not because I think it has all these wonderful properties about it.

Here's the deal: doctors are prescribing test now just like they prescribe adderall. You pay some high dollars, pull up at a "clinic", where the parking lots if filled with high dollar japanese and european SUVs, pay a premium "consultation" fee, and you get the drug/hormone/supplement of your choice from benzos to stims to test to HGH.

We have tons of friends who do it for adderall and quite a few who do it for test. Their "diagnosis" ranges from adult ADHD, to need for weight loss (for waifish women), to adult depression.

It's just like when my friends in college used to make trips down to Mexico to the pharms down there to pick up benzos and opiates, except now you can do it right at your friendly neighborhood quack. It's not that I'm skeptical of the benefits of test, I'm skeptical of how its being used and all the societal/class bullshit that goes along with this method of drug dispensation. ****ers are getting locked up for life for slinging some weed on the street corner, but legal quacks are doling this stuff out to the rich under the aegis of the law. It's bullshit, and test has become part of that whole thing.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by NewChief

Here's the deal: doctors are prescribing test now just like they prescribe adderall. You pay some high dollars, pull up at a "clinic", where the parking lots if filled with high dollar japanese and european SUVs, pay a premium "consultation" fee, and you get the drug/hormone/supplement of your choice from benzos to stims to test to HGH.

We have tons of friends who do it for adderall and quite a few who do it for test. Their "diagnosis" ranges from adult ADHD, to need for weight loss (for waifish women), to adult depression.

It's just like when my friends in college used to make trips down to Mexico to the pharms down there to pick up benzos and opiates, except now you can do it right at your friendly neighborhood quack. It's not that I'm skeptical of the benefits of test, I'm skeptical of how its being used and all the societal/class bullshit that goes along with this method of drug dispensation. ****ers are getting locked up for life for slinging some weed on the street corner, but legal quacks are doling this stuff out to the rich under the aegis of the law. It's bullshit, and test has become part of that whole thing.

Yeah but it's just test, and they charge a **** ton for it. No one is dying from test or knocking over liquor stores for money for it. So who cares?

[KC_Connection]

This argument reminds me of when people ridiculously blamed Chris Benoit's murder-suicide on steroids.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

This argument reminds me of when people ridiculously blamed Chris Benoit's murder-suicide on steroids.

Yup. When he had a history of depression and other mental problems. I'm not saying the anabolics/androgenics HELPED (thought they can in some people with low test) but dude was wired to snap regardless. It's also assumed he may have been suffering from the same shit that caused Seau to kill himself.

I am still in disbelief at times over that one.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by NewChief

Here's the deal: doctors are prescribing test now just like they prescribe adderall. You pay some high dollars, pull up at a "clinic", where the parking lots if filled with high dollar japanese and european SUVs, pay a premium "consultation" fee, and you get the drug/hormone/supplement of your choice from benzos to stims to test to HGH.

We have tons of friends who do it for adderall and quite a few who do it for test. Their "diagnosis" ranges from adult ADHD, to need for weight loss (for waifish women), to adult depression.

It's just like when my friends in college used to make trips down to Mexico to the pharms down there to pick up benzos and opiates, except now you can do it right at your friendly neighborhood quack. It's not that I'm skeptical of the benefits of test, I'm skeptical of how its being used and all the societal/class bullshit that goes along with this method of drug dispensation. ****ers are getting locked up for life for slinging some weed on the street corner, but legal quacks are doling this stuff out to the rich under the aegis of the law. It's bullshit, and test has become part of that whole thing.

This is why years ago during the Bush administration they went after the small pharm who was producing some great products so they wouldn't have any competition when they opened these. Now you have seen exactly what I predicted come to fruition.

They have been doing this in Europe for a very long time. This is the first time I have heard of anything bad coming from it other than a little added aggression. Heaven forbid a male be aggressive in this country. Don't they know their balls are supposed to be kept in a locked box on the mantel?

[Fish]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

This is why years ago during the Bush administration they went after the small pharm who was producing some great products so they wouldn't have any competition when they opened these. Now you have seen exactly what I predicted come to fruition.

They have been doing this in Europe for a very long time. This is the first time I have heard of anything bad coming from it other than a little added aggression. Heaven forbid a male be aggressive in this country. Don't they know their balls are supposed to be kept in a locked box on the mantel?

Roid rage is the American way.... right?

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Roid rage is the American way.... right?

No, putting on a skirt and holding hands why we skip is the new American way. Don't get me started on the emasculation of the American male, I'm not biting.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

This is why years ago during the Bush administration they went after the small pharm who was producing some great products so they wouldn't have any competition when they opened these. Now you have seen exactly what I predicted come to fruition.

They have been doing this in Europe for a very long time. This is the first time I have heard of anything bad coming from it other than a little added aggression. Heaven forbid a male be aggressive in this country. Don't they know their balls are supposed to be kept in a locked box on the mantel?

Are you talking about supplement companies when you are saying "Small Pharm"? I saw you mention Ergpharm earlier when referencing them.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Slick

Are you talking about supplement companies when you are saying "Small Pharm"? I saw you mention Ergpharm earlier when referencing them.

When Bush was doing his whole war on roids thing what they really went after was banning endless supplements and going after manufacturers in the best interest of our kids. Ergopharm was one af many they went after with both barrels. Yes supplements. Truth be known kids just went after the real deal instead.

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

No one kills themselves because of test. Jesus. As noted, there was probably some underlying depression but the amount of test these guys get on HRT is just enough to bring it to normal levels. I mean, I know guys shooting 3+ grams of test a week. Far as I know they are still alive.

This.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

This.

The misinformation on steroids is mind boggling. Good god, people will believe anything.

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

The misinformation on steroids is mind boggling. Good god, people will believe anything.

I agree 100%. Lots of misinformation also spread by people that can get their hands on the drugs, but don't research the proper way to go about taking them.