Is Flacco really worth that much?

[luv]

Highest paid player in the league?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

sighs. And that is all because of Flacco?

Last year was. The guy threw no pics in the playoffs and it seemed like even wobbly throws to covered WR's landed in the perfect place.

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Cant wait for the excuses, BUT THEY LOST SOOOO MUCH. When that excuse is used for any other qb in the league, its the qb sucks. Qbs, are generally as good as the talent around them.

Decide which argument you want to make here.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

"ball control". Is this an Smith-ism?

Flacco can make any throw. He isn't limited at all, actually.

Smith's limitations go far beyond downfield passing. That's all you see when you watch him play?

Ah.

So you're simply going to remain militantly incorrect.

Okay - Have fun with that.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yep.

Rig now, they're outside wrs are one trick pony kind of guys. Letting bold in go might be bigger than they thought

Yeah...but it's not like they knew at the time that Pitta was going to be hurt. Caldwell needs to start relying on their running game more. Rice and Pierce are more than capable.

[O.city]

I would let pierce carry it more and move rice around I. The slot, motion etc

[Mav]

Ray Rice ran the ball 12 times, the ravens ran the ball 21 times, and threw 62 times. You wont win EVER against the Broncos if you try to shoot it out with them. They are too powerful on offense, Peyton is too smart, and too good to do that.

There isn't a single team in the league right now, that can try to win a shoot out with the Broncos. That is my opinion. Their offense is way too explosive. They have the oline, they have the qb, they have 4 receivers, and tight ends.

The Ravens tried to justify Flaccos contract last night, and failed. They never once just hunkered down utilized the run game, and beat down the Broncos.

That's on them. Stupid is, as stupid does.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Ray Rice ran the ball 12 times, the ravens ran the ball 21 times, and threw 62 times. You wont win EVER against the Broncos if you try to shoot it out with them. They are too powerful on offense, Peyton is too smart, and too good to do that.

There isn't a single team in the league right now, that can try to win a shoot out with the Broncos. That is my opinion. Their offense is way too explosive. They have the oline, they have the qb, they have 4 receivers, and tight ends.

The Ravens tried to justify Flaccos contract last night, and failed. They never once just hunkered down utilized the run game, and beat down the Broncos.

That's on them. Stupid is, as stupid does.

That stadium has less available oxygen than any in the league.

Tire them out - no huddle- hurry up - whatever. As the game goes on the altitude alone will make Denver a better 2nd half team...

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Last year was. The guy threw no pics in the playoffs and it seemed like even wobbly throws to covered WR's landed in the perfect place.



Decide which argument you want to make here.

Oh, I never thought that Flacco was any where near elite.

He has always been a product of the people around him.

I have said it multiple times when people want to praise him.

If not for a bone headed decision and cardinal sin number one by Rahim Moore last year, this isn't even a discussion. (that rule is never let anyone behind you). I watched it. In the super bowl, on every crucial third down, Pitta and Boldin, all Flacco did was throw it up, and they went and caught it. I don't need to pick a side. im a browns fan that is happier than hell that they decided to over pay flacco like this at the detriment of the rest of their team.

I couldn't be happier.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Rausch

That stadium has less available oxygen than any in the league.

Tire them out - no huddle- hurry up - whatever. As the game goes on the altitude alone will make Denver a better 2nd half team...

Which would support my theory that they should of run more? Keep your defense off the field? And what you are saying is true, and accurate. All the more reason to keep your defense off the field as much as possible.

Correct?

[Mav]

Originally Posted by O.city

I would let pierce carry it more and move rice around I. The slot, motion etc

They fired Cam Cameron a couple years ago because he wasn't getting Ray Rice involved.

It was stupid, and cowardly the way they ignored Ray last night. especially without pitta, and then jones went down. CRIMINAL. No screen plays, no passes to the flats.

Ridiculous to ever think that you are going to have an air show against the broncos and win.

Silly.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Rausch

It's one game.

Would they really have been better with Ray Ray and Reed (injured) on the team this year?

Slow the roll...

The whole thing ran it's course with Ray and Ed being done. It was only one game but if they're relying on Flacco to be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady then they're screwed.

[9er guy]

He's gonna have to start being a more vocal leader unless they can put together another SB run.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Ray Rice ran the ball 12 times, the ravens ran the ball 21 times, and threw 62 times. You wont win EVER against the Broncos if you try to shoot it out with them. They are too powerful on offense, Peyton is too smart, and too good to do that.

There isn't a single team in the league right now, that can try to win a shoot out with the Broncos. That is my opinion. Their offense is way too explosive. They have the oline, they have the qb, they have 4 receivers, and tight ends.

The Ravens tried to justify Flaccos contract last night, and failed. They never once just hunkered down utilized the run game, and beat down the Broncos.

That's on them. Stupid is, as stupid does.

I think that NO, GB, NE, and Atlanta could all win in an up-tempo, high scoring game.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

They fired Cam Cameron a couple years ago because he wasn't getting Ray Rice involved.

It was stupid, and cowardly the way they ignored Ray last night. especially without pitta, and then jones went down. CRIMINAL. No screen plays, no passes to the flats.

Ridiculous to ever think that you are going to have an air show against the broncos and win.

Silly.

broncos didn't fear Flacco and the Ravens' wide receivers

They pressured the LOS and dared Flacco to beat them. The pressure clogged the running lanes and short passing game.

Raven's average 2.8 yards per rush and made Flacco attempt several stupid passes.


btw I expect defenses to do the same to us until we prove that we can handle it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Which would support my theory that they should of run more? Keep your defense off the field? And what you are saying is true, and accurate. All the more reason to keep your defense off the field as much as possible.

Correct?

Not really.

Running more doesn't keep your defense off the field for any longer in real time. In fact, it probably gets them on their more quickly.

Think about it - say you're trying to milk the clock to get your defense rest. So you run the football. I'd say an average run play takes maybe 4-5 seconds of 'real' time. Once the whistle blows, the play clock starts back up and you're looking at 40 more seconds until you have to snap it again. The time to place the ball is maybe a few seconds as well.

All told, a run play probably only yields maybe 50-55 seconds of breather time if you milk the play clock for all it's worth.

Meanwhile a passing play probably takes 6-8 seconds of real time; drop backs, balls in the air, running with the ball, etc... If it's a completion, it's going to be further downfield on average, so to re-spot the ball takes the official more time. Additionally, to go pick up the ball if it's incomplete takes more time. Spot to spot, snap to snap, a passing play probably takes 60-65 seconds of real time.

If you really want to get your defense a break and you're equally effective at both passing and running, passing the ball will give you a few more seconds of breathing time.

Clock time? Running all the way, but clock time isn't how your defense is getting its rest. The key is to simply work the play clock down as best you can and to make sure you pick up a first down or two. In the end, run vs. pass makes a nominal difference in terms of how much time off the field your defense gets. It only makes a difference in the time of possession stats, which can be very different from how much real time your defense spends on the field.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I think that NO, GB, NE, and Atlanta could all win in an up-tempo, high scoring game.

You think New England could? And the Saints? The saint would never stop peyton manning. Atlanta would have the same problem. Their defense is very suspect. The only one I could agree with is GB.