Chiefs Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block - Page 18

Direckshun · 09-09-2014, 11:02 AM

It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season.

Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want.

But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend.

With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path.

He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year).

We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be.

The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant.

Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here.

I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will.

I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way.

That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him.

This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.

**The Franchise** · 09-10-2014, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

Where is this from? Everything else I've seen says the 2015 and 2016 salaries aren't guaranteed unless Smith is on the roster March 3, 2015, not "at signing". While that's a virtual certainty, it isn't guaranteed.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...st-exit-points

Frosty · 09-10-2014, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...st-exit-points

I think he is going off the early reports of the contract (30 million guaranteed, 15 million injury guarantee), not the newer details sites like overthecap are using.

Mr_Tomahawk · 09-18-2014, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise

2010
Eric Berry*
Dexter McCluster
Javier Arenas
Jon Asamoah
Tony Moeaki
Kendrick Lewis
Cameron Sheffield

Javier called me a pimp.

After I said he was a bust and he is worth a fullback:

Javier Arenas‏@JavierArenas21·Sep 15
@mr_tomahawk lol [Blows a kiss]

And he doesn't like to be called "Havier":

Javier Arenas‏@JavierArenas21·Sep 15
@mr_tomahawk it's w/ a J pimp

Mr. Laz · 09-18-2014, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Pioli's drafts.
* - denotes player who ever became worth a squirt in the NFL.

Jackson,Hudson,McCluster,Asamoah,Arenas,Succop are all viable NFL players

RunKC · 09-21-2014, 08:22 PM

Bump. His first draft class looked good today.

Knile Davis and Travis Kelce are gonna be studs.

L.A. Chieffan · 09-21-2014, 08:26 PM

FIRE HEEM NAOW! ! 1!

Direckshun · 09-21-2014, 08:47 PM

I need Fisher to keep growing. He's doing well now, but the Chiefs give him all kinds of help. If he can lock down his edge without help, that alone would go a long way to changing my tune.

I also need to see way more from this draft class. Ford needs to keep progressing, Gaines needs to take a huge leap, DAT needs the field, and I need to see less of Fulton and more LDT.

Hammock Parties · 09-21-2014, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Jackson,Hudson,McCluster,Asamoah,Arenas,Succop are all viable NFL players

And all average at best.

Hoover · 09-21-2014, 08:52 PM

That's true of any draft class.

The_Hound · 09-21-2014, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I need Fisher to keep growing. He's doing well now, but the Chiefs give him all kinds of help. If he can lock down his edge without help, that alone would go a long way to changing my tune.

I also need to see way more from this draft class. Ford needs to keep progressing, Gaines needs to take a huge leap, DAT needs the field, and I need to see less of Fulton and more LDT.

pretty much by the time he get good, it's Pay Me Bitch.

Oh you spent more on a QB than you wanted?, Pay Me Bitch.
Oh you need money for a WR?, Pay Me Bitch.

Saccopoo · 09-21-2014, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I need Fisher to keep growing. He's doing well now, but the Chiefs give him all kinds of help. If he can lock down his edge without help, that alone would go a long way to changing my tune.

I also need to see way more from this draft class. Ford needs to keep progressing, Gaines needs to take a huge leap, DAT needs the field, and I need to see less of Fulton and more LDT.

Why?

I mean, sure you "need" to. But why?

What's the difference? Both are sixth rounders. Fulton is starting and LDT is not.

Direckshun · 09-21-2014, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Why?

I mean, sure you "need" to. But why?

What's the difference? Both are sixth rounders. Fulton is starting and LDT is not.

Because Fulton looks terrible, and LDT is very promising.

Psyko Tek · 09-21-2014, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

We were "absolutely f&&&cked" without Dustin Colquitt?

MVP bitch
do not dis Colquitt

JCharles1981 · 09-22-2014, 10:02 PM

Wow! Fire John Dorsey after only 2 years as the Chiefs' General Manager despite not being responsible for seven of their starters being out with injuries? Way to give up on him less than two years as a member of the Chiefs' staff. Now I know whom not to trust for good tips on how to improve the team. You must be a blast at dinner parties with that kind of thinking.

OldSchool · 09-23-2014, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Why?

I mean, sure you "need" to. But why?

What's the difference? Both are sixth rounders. Fulton is starting and LDT is not.

Fulton = Poorly put together brick wall. Supposed to be a powerful blocker but hasn't shown much power and consistently gets his shit pushed in when 1 on 1 with a DT. He also can't block in space at all.

LDT = Intelligent athletic phenom who has power, quickness, and aggressiveness to his blocking. Technically, he wasn't anywhere close to being as sound as Fulton was coming out of college, but does that really matter with Fulton being little more than a blocking sled on the field?

Let's see what LDT has since he's now had another 4 weeks of learning to play OG at the NFL level.

09-09-2014, 11:02 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4283447	Put Dorsey's Head On The Chopping Block It is very, very early in John Dorsey's tenure here, but unless the talent he's acquired magically turns it around by midpoint of the season, I believe we should be shopping for a new GM by the end of the season. Now, this is a big deal (I would like to think), coming from me. I was among the last defenders on this site of Scott Pioli, and I still think his drafting record here was strong. I believe in the process, in giving GMs extreme leeway and time in shuffling the roster and building a team full of the kind of guys we want. But Dorsey came in with a plum opportunity. He had the core of a team already built for him (minus the one critical position), the #1 pick in the draft, and a ridiculous amount of free agency cap room to spend, spend, spend. With these incredible gifts given to him, gifts that any new GM would kill for (rather than the shit sandwich a new GM would get in 2015...), Dorsey took the absolute worst path. He sacrificed the future of the franchise for a quick playoff run, completely overpaying in offseason talent, hamstringing our budget for 2014 and 2015 so that we let a full quarter of our team's starters walk, including two Pro Bowlers, with zero ability to replace any of the departing talent effectively (with the sole exception of replacing Kendrick Lewis with Husain Abdullah, but even that was a Plan B after Mr. Glass Commings is out for another year). We were unable to retain Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers, Ryan Succop, Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCulster, Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz because we had to have Mike DeVito, Chase Daniel, Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, and Anthony Fasano. That is a complete loss on every level, and again, it happened because Dorsey acted like a teenager after receiving his first paycheck rather than the patient, methodical personnel guru he was alleged to be. The Alex Smith trade was defensible on its own terms, I believe. (We overpayed with the two 2nds, but we overpayed for Bowe and Colquitt, and both of those were defensible as well, as the team was seriously ****ed without the player in question.) But coupled with the Chase Daniel acquisition and this team's continued chickenshit behavior regarding the QB position in the draft, and it once again showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to win in a league being skewed further and further away from the Alex Smiths and Matt Cassels of the world. In a league that's continually changing, Dorsey, Reid and Alex Smith are keeping the team stagnant. Well, less than stagnant, really. The biggest crime of the young John Dorsey era has been the drafting, which has been horrific. It's every bit as obsessed with 40 times and measurables and ignorant of on field performance as the Al Davis regime used to be. We burned the #1 overall pick on a likely bust at tackle. We burned our first this year on a passrusher that isn't helping us win. We burned our third this year on a corner that was worse than Vince Agnew this preseason. And none of our low-round picks are working out, up to and including our UDFAs, where GMs need to distinguish themselves. It's insane to think that Scott Pioli had a better record with UDFAs, which is saying something considering that Pioli only hit on one his entire time here. I do a ton of mock drafts throughout the year, most of them terrible, but all of them viscerally enjoyable for me to postulate. It's lost a lot of its luster this year, even as we are entering a year with 11 draft picks, because projecting the projects and boom/likely-bust players that Dorsey falls in love with makes the exercise depressing. We end up with a super-young team full of talent that can't see the field, and likely rarely ever will. I'm willing to change my tune, as I always am, if some of this plan looks to be solid for the future, and not just for the present, by the middle of the season. But it would have to be a dramatic shift for me to feel that way. That said, we can still end up in a good position here. The Alex Smith contract, which ironically is the best contract Dorsey has signed here, makes Smith expendable if a new GM is brought in at the end of the year. If Andy Reid still wants Alex Smith after a 4-12 season, fire him too. If Andy Reid can't get along with the new GM, fire him. If Andy Reid can't call a winning gameplan in 2015, fire him. This front office refused to utilize their patience when constructing this roster. In the process, they've lost mine.
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09-21-2014, 08:47 PM	#262
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4283447	I need Fisher to keep growing. He's doing well now, but the Chiefs give him all kinds of help. If he can lock down his edge without help, that alone would go a long way to changing my tune. I also need to see way more from this draft class. Ford needs to keep progressing, Gaines needs to take a huge leap, DAT needs the field, and I need to see less of Fulton and more LDT.
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09-21-2014, 08:52 PM	#264
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09-22-2014, 10:02 PM	#269
JCharles1981 Starter Join Date: Nov 2011 Casino cash: $10005489	Wow! Fire John Dorsey after only 2 years as the Chiefs' General Manager despite not being responsible for seven of their starters being out with injuries? Way to give up on him less than two years as a member of the Chiefs' staff. Now I know whom not to trust for good tips on how to improve the team. You must be a blast at dinner parties with that kind of thinking.
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