Chiefs Jamaal Charles is best K.C. back ever? - Page 5

Stinger · 12-03-2013, 01:21 PM

Adam Teicher seem to think so....

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- This is probably overdue but I got to thinking about it after Jamaal Charles went over 1,000 rushing yards for the season in last week's loss to the Denver Broncos. That's four straight seasons for Charles with over 1,000 yards and though that's certainly not the only criteria, it's time to call Charles the best runner to ever play for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Charles is third all time on the Chiefs' rushing yardage list. He is roughly 500 yards from catching Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson, the two backs ahead of him. With a big finish, Charles could conceivably catch both players this season. If not, he will pass them in 2014.

Charles is well shy of both players in rushing touchdowns, but Holmes and Johnson at times played for Chiefs teams that were offensive machines. Charles' teams in Kansas City haven't been built that way and it's unfair to penalize him for that. Charles isn't the pass receiver that Holmes was. There was no sight for Chiefs fans like Holmes running with a screen pass behind the great blockers he played with (unless it was Holmes running the sweep behind the great blockers he played with). But strictly as a runner, I'll take Charles.

Two factors go into that decision. First is longetivity. Johnson essentially had two great seasons for the Chiefs, Holmes three. Charles is now at four and we're still counting.

The other is Charles' career per-carry rushing average. Charles has picked up slightly more than 5.5 yards every time he's rushed the ball for the Chiefs in his career and that's frequently against opposing defenses that were often lying in wait for him because the Chiefs gave them little else to worry about.

Holmes rushed for 4.59 yards per carry, Johnson 4.37. That's a significant dfference in Charles' favor.

Holmes and Johnson deserve to be part of the discussion. But with apologies to those guys and some other great Chiefs backs like Marcus Allen, Christian Okoye and Ed Podolak it's time (and probably past time) to hail the new king.

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...t-kc-back-ever

Omaha · 12-03-2013, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

I remember Blaylock being pretty decent for a guy who could barely make a roster on any other team.

He was really fast, but he sucked at following blocks and he seemed to run with his eyes closed.

Pablo · 12-03-2013, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

He's not even 27 yet. 4 more years of this and he's not only the greatest KC running back of all time, he's a hall of famer.

This is true.

Jamaal is the only Chiefs player I can see in the HOF.

I can't wait to hear his speech:

"Umm, uhhh ya know I jus wanna thank NFL for the escalades"

TEX · 12-03-2013, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo

This is true.

Jamaal is the only Chiefs player I can see in the HOF.

I can't wait to hear his speech:

"Umm, uhhh ya know I jus wanna thank NFL for the escalades"

I was driving back to Houston from KC after the Texans game and heard the "escalades" comment on KCFX. Spit my coffee out all over the dash.

CallMeSquidwad · 12-03-2013, 04:44 PM

Halfcan · 12-03-2013, 04:47 PM

JC is haveing one of his best all-around years-catching,blocking and running.

**Mav** · 12-03-2013, 04:47 PM

I thought at first, mind you, I have almost zero historical knowledge of the Chiefs, but just modern day Chiefs.

Marcus Allen, Okoye, Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, and Jamaal.

Marcus had the better overall career, but a lot of that came with the Raiders, Priest Holmes probably has the most compelling case. I think he was as complete of a back as there was in the league, but his flame flickered quickly.

Jamaal is quite the beast though.

ThaVirus · 12-03-2013, 04:56 PM

When did the "escalades" comment take place? I missed that entirely.

Lightrise · 12-03-2013, 04:59 PM

Anybody remember Harvey Williams? I never saw any back in the history of the NFL who stumbled over his own feet more than Williams.

In a way, Greg Hill was supposed to be what Charles actually is.

Tombstone RJ · 12-03-2013, 04:59 PM

Charles gets my vote for GOAT kc RB. If Priest Holmes had spent his entire career in kc then maybe he would be the one as he was pretty fantastic for the short time he played in kc. I don't like Larry Johnson, I think he was a tool.

KCrockaholic · 12-03-2013, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

When did the "escalades" comment take place? I missed that entirely.

Just put it in your backbone and move on.

Red Dawg · 12-03-2013, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

I think Donnell Bennett should be in this discussion.

OMG! Do not let that name into our thoughts.

milkman · 12-03-2013, 06:21 PM

I've seen a lot of RBs in KC through the years.

Mike Garret, Podolak, Tony Adams, Willie Green, Joe Delaney, Allen, etc.

Not a single one of them had the vision and burst that Priest possesse, until Charlesn
And Charles is so much faster.

If Charles were running behind a line that Priest ran behind, he would not onlyy be in the discussion as the greatest Chief, he'd be in the discussion as the greatest the NFL has ever seen.

Putting up the kind of numbers he has behind a piss poor line, with no real support from a complementary passing game on top of that, is nothing short of amazing.

Pablo · 12-03-2013, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

When did the "escalades" comment take place? I missed that entirely.

See post 63.

MGRS13 · 12-03-2013, 06:24 PM

Priest. Sorry. Until J.C. gets the nose for the endzone Holmes had.

Deberg_1990 · 12-03-2013, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan

JC is haveing one of his best all-around years-catching,blocking and running.

Oh.. I Don't know...I think his 2010 season was better. He's hasn't had any long breakaway runs this season for whatever reason?

I know he was a horrible human being, but for my money LJs 2005 season was the most electrifying season by a Chiefs RB ever.

12-03-2013, 01:21 PM
Stinger Bazinga Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $4294507	Jamaal Charles is best K.C. back ever? Adam Teicher seem to think so.... KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- This is probably overdue but I got to thinking about it after Jamaal Charles went over 1,000 rushing yards for the season in last week's loss to the Denver Broncos. That's four straight seasons for Charles with over 1,000 yards and though that's certainly not the only criteria, it's time to call Charles the best runner to ever play for the Kansas City Chiefs. Charles is third all time on the Chiefs' rushing yardage list. He is roughly 500 yards from catching Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson, the two backs ahead of him. With a big finish, Charles could conceivably catch both players this season. If not, he will pass them in 2014. Charles is well shy of both players in rushing touchdowns, but Holmes and Johnson at times played for Chiefs teams that were offensive machines. Charles' teams in Kansas City haven't been built that way and it's unfair to penalize him for that. Charles isn't the pass receiver that Holmes was. There was no sight for Chiefs fans like Holmes running with a screen pass behind the great blockers he played with (unless it was Holmes running the sweep behind the great blockers he played with). But strictly as a runner, I'll take Charles. Two factors go into that decision. First is longetivity. Johnson essentially had two great seasons for the Chiefs, Holmes three. Charles is now at four and we're still counting. The other is Charles' career per-carry rushing average. Charles has picked up slightly more than 5.5 yards every time he's rushed the ball for the Chiefs in his career and that's frequently against opposing defenses that were often lying in wait for him because the Chiefs gave them little else to worry about. Holmes rushed for 4.59 yards per carry, Johnson 4.37. That's a significant dfference in Charles' favor. Holmes and Johnson deserve to be part of the discussion. But with apologies to those guys and some other great Chiefs backs like Marcus Allen, Christian Okoye and Ed Podolak it's time (and probably past time) to hail the new king. http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...t-kc-back-ever
Posts: 10,179

12-03-2013, 04:44 PM	#64
CallMeSquidwad Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Peruvian Valley Casino cash: $10005995	GOAT
Posts: 330

12-03-2013, 04:47 PM	#65
Halfcan In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7327995	JC is haveing one of his best all-around years-catching,blocking and running.
Posts: 43,200

12-03-2013, 04:47 PM	#66
Mav XBOX GT MAVS ACE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Wisconsin Casino cash: $10019303	I thought at first, mind you, I have almost zero historical knowledge of the Chiefs, but just modern day Chiefs. Marcus Allen, Okoye, Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, and Jamaal. Marcus had the better overall career, but a lot of that came with the Raiders, Priest Holmes probably has the most compelling case. I think he was as complete of a back as there was in the league, but his flame flickered quickly. Jamaal is quite the beast though. __________________ Resident Browns fan I’m not here to argue about Alex Smith. Fastest Ignore user on CP
Posts: 18,683

12-03-2013, 04:56 PM	#67
ThaVirus Settle this once and forever Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $2102369	When did the "escalades" comment take place? I missed that entirely.
Posts: 44,237

12-03-2013, 04:59 PM	#68
Lightrise Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Casino cash: $10005085	Anybody remember Harvey Williams? I never saw any back in the history of the NFL who stumbled over his own feet more than Williams. In a way, Greg Hill was supposed to be what Charles actually is.
Posts: 774

12-03-2013, 04:59 PM	#69
Tombstone RJ Broncos' Fan Extraordinaire! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denver Casino cash: $10012184	Charles gets my vote for GOAT kc RB. If Priest Holmes had spent his entire career in kc then maybe he would be the one as he was pretty fantastic for the short time he played in kc. I don't like Larry Johnson, I think he was a tool. __________________ ORANGE COLORED GLASSES ARE ALWAYS ON!
Posts: 6,151

12-03-2013, 06:21 PM	#72
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	I've seen a lot of RBs in KC through the years. Mike Garret, Podolak, Tony Adams, Willie Green, Joe Delaney, Allen, etc. Not a single one of them had the vision and burst that Priest possesse, until Charlesn And Charles is so much faster. If Charles were running behind a line that Priest ran behind, he would not onlyy be in the discussion as the greatest Chief, he'd be in the discussion as the greatest the NFL has ever seen. Putting up the kind of numbers he has behind a piss poor line, with no real support from a complementary passing game on top of that, is nothing short of amazing. __________________
Posts: 70,769

12-03-2013, 06:24 PM	#74
MGRS13 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Home in KC Casino cash: $10074930	Priest. Sorry. Until J.C. gets the nose for the endzone Holmes had.
Posts: 4,217