Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room
Reload this Page Chiefs Revisiting the Jared Allen Trade
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar

Reply
Page 3 of 5 12 3 45
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-13-2010, 04:41 PM   #1
wild1 wild1 is offline
MVP
 

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: 31040
Casino cash: $10004900
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts View Post
Oh, and your and ****ing idiot for saying Matt Cassel is one of the 3 best players on this team. Your opinions just became irrelevant.
A quarterback, a left tackle, a running back who would have been in the pro bowl if he'd started the whole season, and a GM who was named the professional sports executive of the decade. You think Jared Allen is worth more than all of that?
Posts: 6,935
wild1 ....proof positive that somebody pissed in the gene pool.
     Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2010, 04:46 PM   #2
Mr. Flopnuts Mr. Flopnuts is offline
FINALLY! The wait is over.
 
Mr. Flopnuts's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: The Future Is Now!!!
Casino cash: $19947565
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild1 View Post
A quarterback, a left tackle, a running back who would have been in the pro bowl if he'd started the whole season, and a GM who was named the professional sports executive of the decade. You think Jared Allen is worth more than all of that?
Until they win, none of that matters. And what if the QB looks like he did this year for the next 3? That alone would have us screwed. The GM may, or may not be worth his weight in salt. Let's see what he does without BB. The left tackle may have to be shifted to another part of the line. The RB looks pretty money.

I'd take the best DE in the game over a rising RB superstar and a bunch of question marks yes.

We start winning, and I'll change my mind in a heartbeat. And you have my apologies for those remarks. I don't normally respond to the personal attacks that way. Not my style.
__________________
2018 Adopt A Chief: Sammy Watkins

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
Fair and balanced. A mod people can be proud of.
Posts: 56,649
Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2010, 05:02 PM   #3
wild1 wild1 is offline
MVP
 

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: 31040
Casino cash: $10004900
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts View Post
Until they win, none of that matters. And what if the QB looks like he did this year for the next 3? That alone would have us screwed. The GM may, or may not be worth his weight in salt. Let's see what he does without BB. The left tackle may have to be shifted to another part of the line. The RB looks pretty money.

I'd take the best DE in the game over a rising RB superstar and a bunch of question marks yes.

We start winning, and I'll change my mind in a heartbeat. And you have my apologies for those remarks. I don't normally respond to the personal attacks that way. Not my style.
The top bid for Allen was a 1st and a 2nd. The players you name were a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, then you add in a coveted executive.

If you look at this season, statistically Allen had another big year... 14.5 sacks, forced a few fumbles. Not bad at all. That will make you a lot of money.

If you break it down, he got 4.5 sacks in one game against Green bay and 3 sacks in the other. In the first game, Green Bay's starting left tackle (a pro bowler last year) was inactive, and his replacement (who normally plays guard) left the game with a knee injury. Allen did play against Clifton in the second game and played well, but regardless, half his sacks this year were piled up in two games against the team that ranked dead last this year in sacks allowed. #32 of 32. Allen had 7 sacks in the other 14 games - respectable, but not world-beating.

He didn't do much in the second half of the year and in the postseason. If he hadn't played in Green Bay's division we might be talking about how Allen fell off this year.
Posts: 6,935
wild1 ....proof positive that somebody pissed in the gene pool.
     Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2010, 05:07 PM   #4
Mr. Flopnuts Mr. Flopnuts is offline
FINALLY! The wait is over.
 
Mr. Flopnuts's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: The Future Is Now!!!
Casino cash: $19947565
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild1 View Post
The top bid for Allen was a 1st and a 2nd. The players you name were a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, then you add in a coveted executive.

If you look at this season, statistically Allen had another big year... 14.5 sacks, forced a few fumbles. Not bad at all. That will make you a lot of money.

If you break it down, he got 4.5 sacks in one game against Green bay and 3 sacks in the other. In the first game, Green Bay's starting left tackle (a pro bowler last year) was inactive, and his replacement (who normally plays guard) left the game with a knee injury. Allen did play against Clifton in the second game and played well, but regardless, half his sacks this year were piled up in two games against the team that ranked dead last this year in sacks allowed. #32 of 32. Allen had 7 sacks in the other 14 games - respectable, but not world-beating.

He didn't do much in the second half of the year and in the postseason. If he hadn't played in Green Bay's division we might be talking about how Allen fell off this year.
None of that really matters though, because he could've done better or worse on this team. I understand what you're saying, all I'm saying is it's normally a pretty bad idea to trade the best DE in the game as he's going into his prime. It's probably the most coveted position on the field outside of your QB.

I am glad to know that the trade has the potential to take us to a Super Bowl championship. But potential doesn't mean jack shit until it's realized. I will question this trade until we get there. And I seriously question whether we will with Matt Cassel as our QB. I've NEVER been a fan of that move.

I'm not a doom and gloom fan. I'm eternally optimistic. However, that doesn't mean I won't be asking a lot of questions about moves we make until we get there. This is the most glaring one of them all, even though it has absolutely nothing to do with the current regime.
__________________
2018 Adopt A Chief: Sammy Watkins

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
Fair and balanced. A mod people can be proud of.
Posts: 56,649
Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2010, 05:06 PM   #5
bandwagonjumper bandwagonjumper is offline
Starter
 
bandwagonjumper's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2009
Casino cash: $10009659
It may have been at best an okay trade for the Chiefs but it was a great trade for the Vikings. A great pass rusher and a starting center. Still Chiefs one, Vikings zero.
Posts: 389
bandwagonjumper is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutbandwagonjumper is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutbandwagonjumper is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutbandwagonjumper is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutbandwagonjumper is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutbandwagonjumper is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutbandwagonjumper is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutbandwagonjumper is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutbandwagonjumper is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutbandwagonjumper is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutbandwagonjumper is the dumbass Milkman is always talking about
     Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2010, 05:03 PM   #6
Hammock Parties Hammock Parties is offline
I'll be back.
 
Hammock Parties's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Casino cash: $4570478
LOL....I love people that tear down Allen by breaking down his sack numbers.

He has 45 in three years. Has anyone else done that?

Sacks ALWAYS come in bunches. DT's sacks came in bunches. He's in the ****ing HOF.

Don't tear down Allen to make the trade look better.
__________________
Chiefs game films
Posts: 278,318
Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2010, 05:08 PM   #7
wild1 wild1 is offline
MVP
 

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: 31040
Casino cash: $10004900
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChiefs View Post
LOL....I love people that tear down Allen by breaking down his sack numbers.

He has 45 in three years. Has anyone else done that?

Sacks ALWAYS come in bunches. DT's sacks came in bunches. He's in the ****ing HOF.

Don't tear down Allen to make the trade look better.
I've no interest in defending the trade. I simply stated a fact, that Allen has a tendency to disappear. He did very little in the second half of this year, or after the second Green Bay game which was somewhere near midseason.
Posts: 6,935
wild1 ....proof positive that somebody pissed in the gene pool.
     Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2010, 05:12 PM   #8
Hammock Parties Hammock Parties is offline
I'll be back.
 
Hammock Parties's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Casino cash: $4570478
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild1 View Post
I've no interest in defending the trade. I simply stated a fact, that Allen has a tendency to disappear. He did very little in the second half of this year, or after the second Green Bay game which was somewhere near midseason.
Just because a guy is not racking up sacks does not mean he is disappearing. Only three defensive ends had more quarterback pressures than Jared Allen. He led the Vikings in tackles for loss.

He's a great ****ing football player.
__________________
Chiefs game films
Posts: 278,318
Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2010, 05:25 PM   #9
wild1 wild1 is offline
MVP
 

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: 31040
Casino cash: $10004900
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChiefs View Post
Just because a guy is not racking up sacks does not mean he is disappearing. Only three defensive ends had more quarterback pressures than Jared Allen. He led the Vikings in tackles for loss.

He's a great ****ing football player.
Never said he wasn't. I just said he didn't do much the second half of this season.
Posts: 6,935
wild1 ....proof positive that somebody pissed in the gene pool.
     Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2010, 05:38 PM   #10
Hammock Parties Hammock Parties is offline
I'll be back.
 
Hammock Parties's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Casino cash: $4570478
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild1 View Post
Never said he wasn't. I just said he didn't do much the second half of this season.
Because he had only four sacks?

Did you even watch the Vikings?
__________________
Chiefs game films
Posts: 278,318
Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2010, 05:09 PM   #11
Gadzooks Gadzooks is offline
MFIC
 
Gadzooks's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Tromsų, Norway
Casino cash: $3829219
Any DC worth a shit can find a use for Allen in any kind of D alignment but this was aboot money.
Posts: 7,771
Gadzooks threw an interception on a screen pass.Gadzooks threw an interception on a screen pass.Gadzooks threw an interception on a screen pass.Gadzooks threw an interception on a screen pass.Gadzooks threw an interception on a screen pass.Gadzooks threw an interception on a screen pass.Gadzooks threw an interception on a screen pass.Gadzooks threw an interception on a screen pass.Gadzooks threw an interception on a screen pass.Gadzooks threw an interception on a screen pass.Gadzooks threw an interception on a screen pass.
     Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2010, 05:08 PM   #12
Mr. Flopnuts Mr. Flopnuts is offline
FINALLY! The wait is over.
 
Mr. Flopnuts's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: The Future Is Now!!!
Casino cash: $19947565
And Cassel had zero to do with this trade. Remove Cassel, and input DeJuan Morgan.
__________________
2018 Adopt A Chief: Sammy Watkins

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
Fair and balanced. A mod people can be proud of.
Posts: 56,649
Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Flopnuts is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2010, 05:41 PM   #13
milkman milkman is offline
Dumbass!
 
milkman's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Leading the Marty bashing
Casino cash: $10029395
What's done is done.

Move on.
__________________
Posts: 70,769
milkman is obviously part of the inner Circle.milkman is obviously part of the inner Circle.milkman is obviously part of the inner Circle.milkman is obviously part of the inner Circle.milkman is obviously part of the inner Circle.milkman is obviously part of the inner Circle.milkman is obviously part of the inner Circle.milkman is obviously part of the inner Circle.milkman is obviously part of the inner Circle.milkman is obviously part of the inner Circle.milkman is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2010, 05:48 PM   #14
HotRoute HotRoute is offline
Veteran
 
HotRoute's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2009
Casino cash: $9755656
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman View Post
What's done is done.

Move on.
this, no reason to cry over spilled milk.
Posts: 2,274
HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.
     Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2010, 05:43 PM   #15
HotRoute HotRoute is offline
Veteran
 
HotRoute's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2009
Casino cash: $9755656
truth is the guy wanted out, thats that. we got good picks for him (1st and two 3rd's) but forgot we had an idiot making those picks. so . . . .
Posts: 2,274
HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.HotRoute is not part of the Right 53.
     Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 3 of 5 12 3 45

« Previous Thread | > Nzoner's Game Room < | Next Thread »

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:53 AM.

Contact Us - ChiefsPlanet - Archive - Top

This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Advertise with us!
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.