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duncan_idaho · 09:30 AM

With my 6,000th post on ChiefsPlanet (it only took me 12 years to get here), I bring you: The 2014 Kansas City Royals Repository.

To be discussed here: All things Royals, as they attempt to post another winning season and make it back to the playoffs for the first time since 1985.

25-man RosterAvailable HERE

AL Central Standings:

Link

Duncan's Top 20 Royals Prospects

Spoiler!

KCUnited · 07-22-2014, 10:45 AM

The zone recognition stuff in our system might be the most disheartening stuff I've ever read regarding both KC sports teams. That makes the firing of Moore feel like you just had your peehole swabbed out of gonorrhea but there's still the ass cancer left to treat. This guy is going to make Vermeil's departure look Billy Butler's kitchen.

**gblowfish** · 07-22-2014, 10:50 AM

We laugh to keep from crying around here a lot. Sometimes sarcasm is a better choice than apathy. We all knew the offense was going to be weak this year, but I don't think anybody thought it would be this bad. Omar Infante leads the teams in RBI for crissake.

Butler has totally tanked. Does anybody have the stat on how many DPs he's hit into this year, and what his K to walk ratio is? We know he's hit three homers. He has to be trending towards having the worst year ever as a full time DH.

Moose ....why? This guy can't hit his weight. Why is DM so high on him? Just about every starter has had an 0 for 20 plus slump, including Gordon and Salvey. Infante has been the most consistent, but he's been unreliable with injury bug. Aoki has been a disaster. Esky's bat has been better, but he's been having defensive lapses. Such a mixed bag this year. I'm frankly surprised they've even been in the hunt playing like this, but the whole AL Central is mediocre this year, so we've got that going for us.

duncan_idaho · 07-22-2014, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The "good news" is that the team isn't on life support. It's now officially mediocre, which is indeed better than when Moore arrived.

Because Kansas City.

At least we have the Chiefs. FML.

I'd much rather get rid of Moore at the end of this year with assets still in place than get rid of him at the end of next year with fewer assets still in place. All I'm saying.

A good GM could do things quickly with what he's inheriting after this season, if brought in.

Two under-25 SP who have proven to be front-line type starters (Duffy and Ventura)
A tremendous under-25 catcher who is a GG defender and plus bat, and is signed long-term, and for peanuts
Great defenders who can be above-average contributors offensively at SS and CF (also under 30 and controlled for several years)
A star-level LF

A top 10-ish farm system with a lot of high-upside arms (Zimmer, Finnegan, Manaea, Almonte, Pedro Fernandez)

Prison Bitch · 07-22-2014, 11:04 AM

Doesn't matter what a new GM would inherit, every single candidate would jump at any chance to be one. Only 30 available and they rarely turn over.

siberian khatru · 07-22-2014, 11:10 AM

So let me get this straight. By not panicking and trading away all the MiL assets for a quixotic run at a WC play-in game, Moore is showing admirable restraint and suggesting he doesn't fear for his job safety.

Yet, by not trading Shields, Davis/Holland and others at the deadline to bolster the team for 2015-16 (the length of his current contract), and by stubbornly insisting the team will hold tight and play out the string, he's acting as if he needs to at least finish around .500 to keep his job.

So we're NOT going to try to win 88+ games and compete for WC2, but ARE going to try to win 80-83 games?

This is what Year 8 1/2 of the Moore Era is? The GM admits we have too many holes to compete, but won't do anything to fix them?

What madness is this?

**Nzoner** · 07-22-2014, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

What madness is this?

I've come to call it Missouri Madness and the shit is contagious.

siberian khatru · 07-22-2014, 11:18 AM

BTW, Yankees acquired Chase Headley

**gblowfish** · 07-22-2014, 11:19 AM

Chase Heddy?

siberian khatru · 07-22-2014, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

Chase Heddy?

Well it ain't Chase McDanielson!

TheGreatCassholio · 07-22-2014, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

Chase Heddy?

That's Headley!

siberian khatru · 07-22-2014, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatCassholio

That's Headley!

I'm sorry, all I could think about was Hedley Lamarr from Blazing Saddles

BWillie · 07-22-2014, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

no. Trade Holland. Keep Davis.

Keep whoever makes less IMO. I don't know who that is, but whoever it is, thats who you go with as your closer. But yeah, no point to keep both based on their salaries.

**ChiTown** · 07-22-2014, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Keep whoever makes less IMO. I don't know who that is, but whoever it is, thats who you go with as your closer. But yeah, no point to keep both based on their salaries.

Uh no. Trade whomever gets you the most overall value. Part of that evaluation has to include Davis's salary in '15 vs Holland's. But you have to look at the whole package.

ChiefsCountry · 07-22-2014, 11:52 AM

I would trade Davis simply because we know that Holland can save games, don't know if Wade has the mental makeup to do that for sure. I would let some other team find out.

**Dartgod** · 07-22-2014, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I would trade Davis simply because we know that Holland can save games, don't know if Wade has the mental makeup to do that for sure. I would let some other team find out.

Is there really that much difference between completely shutting down hitters in the 9th as opposed to the 8th?

Davis has been downright dominating this year.

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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1760308	2014 Royals Repository With my 6,000th post on ChiefsPlanet (it only took me 12 years to get here), I bring you: The 2014 Kansas City Royals Repository. To be discussed here: All things Royals, as they attempt to post another winning season and make it back to the playoffs for the first time since 1985. 25-man RosterAvailable HERE AL Central Standings: Link Duncan's Top 20 Royals Prospects Spoiler! 1) 3B Hunter Dozier ETA: 2015 Dozier started slowly at A+ Wilmington but caught fire in May and June, earning a mid-season promotion to AA Northwest Arkansas. Big, strong kid with good plate discipline skills and solid power who projects to be an above-average glove at 3B with solid power. 2) SS Raul (Adalberto) Mondesi ETA: 2017 Mondesis is the opposite of Dozier…. Started red-hot at Wilmington before back spasms derailed him for a few weeks and hasn’t gotten it going since coming back. Scouting reports have been great – defense and speed both improved over the offseason. Still a chance to be an elite SS, with 40 SB speed, plus glove, .300 average and some pop. 3) LHP Sean Manaea \| ETA: 2015 Scouting reports outperform the stat line so far. Missing a ton of bats at A+ but not preventing runs like you’d expect to see. Needs to work deeper into games (gradually working about an inning deeper/month so far this year) and improve control. Walks are biggest concern right now, but could be elevated due to work on extra off-speed offerings. Still has No. 2 starter potential, could be higher if the great control he exhibited before his hip surgery eventually comes back. 4) RHP Kyle Zimmer\| ETA: 2015 Should be NO. 1 on the list and is probably the Royals most VALUABLE current prospect, but he hasn’t thrown a ball in 4-5 weeks and had only been throwing for 2-3 weeks when he was shut down then. 5) LHP Brandon Finnegan\| ETA: 2015 Top 2014 draft choice is an undersized lefty who will start at A+ Wilmington after anchoring CWS run for TCU. Good fastball, better slider, change that needs work to stick as a starter, but if he sticks, No. 2/No. 3 starter upside. Likely a top 10 or even top 5 pick if he doesn’t miss 1 start in the middle of the college season as a precautionary move. 6) RHP Miguel Almonte\| ETA: 2016 Have heard some say Almonte is more advanced as a pitcher at A+ than Yordano Ventura was (comparison because both were cheap signs out of Latin America). Really advanced changeup and a curve that is working out well (where the ‘more advanced’ comment comes from). Fastball velo is good but not great – 92-94. Like Manaea, working on his second-best offspeed pitch and leaning less on his bread-and butter (changeup), which has hurt his numbers a bit. 7) RHP Christian Binford 2017 Reverse case of “don’t just scout stat lines.” Based on his stats at A+, you’d think he was an elite prospect, but there are questions about Binford’s stuff playing up at higher levels. Tall righty with great command of fastball, slider and a good and still developing changeup. None of those pitches profiles as better than average, though, limiting his likely upside to back-end rotation guy. 8) SS Orlando Calixte\| ETA: 2016 I still like him more than many. Good combination of SS/MI skills and power. Started hot at NWA but in a slump at moment. 9)LHP Foster Griffin \| ETA: 2019 Tall, projectable lefty taken in 2014 draft. Viewed as a great value in the sandwich round and probably would have been KC’s pick at No. 17 if Finnegan hadn’t fallen. High school arm who is going to take a while to develop. 10) RF Jorge Bonifacio\| ETA: 2016 Hasn’t hit as well as expected in his second go-round at AA NWA. Power still sapped, and average skills have dipped. Once looked like he might be an option in RF at some point in 2015, now looks like 2016 is optimistic. Still young for his level. 11) 3B/2B Cheslor Cuthbert\| ETA: 2016 Cuthbert has had better luck at NWA than Boni and is also extremely young for level. HE’s been moved to 2B since Dozier was promoted, which could put a new spin on Cuthbert’s prospects. If he sticks at 2B, bat plays up much better. Good OBP/plate discipline and solid power, but needs to continue improving contact skills 12) C Chase Vallot\| ETA: 2020 Young (just 17) C with tremendous power. One of the top prep bats and a great value for KC where it got him. If he sticks at C, expect him to move slowly, but the bat may force the issue (or force him to another position). 13) C Zane Evans\| ETA: 2017 GA Tech product has handled Wilmington better than most RH bats and probably is in line for a promotion to NWA sometime soon. Decent pop, decent skills behind the plate. Could be a nice reserve catcher. 14) RHP Scott Blewett\| ETA: 2020 Tall, projectable righty with a fresh arm but some injury concerns on his shoulder that slipped him out of Round 1 of MLB draft. Big time potential. 15) CF Bubba Starling \| ETA: Bubba Starling has great tools. Bubba Starling (still) can’t hit. That’s all I have to say about that. 16) 1B Samir Duenez\| ETA: I still like him, even though the attempt to run him through full season ball at 17 did not go well. 17)LF/RF Elier Hernandez\| ETA: Hernandez still pops up in scouting reports but still is very raw and toolsy. 18) RHP Pedro Fernandez\| ETA: Pop-up player on the same track as Ventura and Almonte. Similar signing, similar profile. One to watch over next few years. 19) SS Marten Gasparini\| ETA: Royals’ most expensive international signing likely moves to CF eventually, but his speed and athleticism are intriguing abilities. Early reports from complex ball are very positive on him. 20) RHP Niklas Stephenson\| ETA: Interesting pop-up candidate who found 10 more MPH on his fastball by using a weighted ball during workouts over the winter. Now sits mid-90s with fastball and is dominating at rookie ball (after having an ERA over 8 there a year ago). Likely promoted to a higher challenge soon. Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-01-2014 at 09:30 AM..
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07-22-2014, 10:45 AM	#7546
KCUnited Cheat Death Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Land of Drincoln Casino cash: $2298244	The zone recognition stuff in our system might be the most disheartening stuff I've ever read regarding both KC sports teams. That makes the firing of Moore feel like you just had your peehole swabbed out of gonorrhea but there's still the ass cancer left to treat. This guy is going to make Vermeil's departure look Billy Butler's kitchen.
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07-22-2014, 10:50 AM	#7547
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17686178 VARSITY	We laugh to keep from crying around here a lot. Sometimes sarcasm is a better choice than apathy. We all knew the offense was going to be weak this year, but I don't think anybody thought it would be this bad. Omar Infante leads the teams in RBI for crissake. Butler has totally tanked. Does anybody have the stat on how many DPs he's hit into this year, and what his K to walk ratio is? We know he's hit three homers. He has to be trending towards having the worst year ever as a full time DH. Moose ....why? This guy can't hit his weight. Why is DM so high on him? Just about every starter has had an 0 for 20 plus slump, including Gordon and Salvey. Infante has been the most consistent, but he's been unreliable with injury bug. Aoki has been a disaster. Esky's bat has been better, but he's been having defensive lapses. Such a mixed bag this year. I'm frankly surprised they've even been in the hunt playing like this, but the whole AL Central is mediocre this year, so we've got that going for us.
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07-22-2014, 11:04 AM	#7549
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07-22-2014, 11:10 AM	#7550
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $2554950	So let me get this straight. By not panicking and trading away all the MiL assets for a quixotic run at a WC play-in game, Moore is showing admirable restraint and suggesting he doesn't fear for his job safety. Yet, by not trading Shields, Davis/Holland and others at the deadline to bolster the team for 2015-16 (the length of his current contract), and by stubbornly insisting the team will hold tight and play out the string, he's acting as if he needs to at least finish around .500 to keep his job. So we're NOT going to try to win 88+ games and compete for WC2, but ARE going to try to win 80-83 games? This is what Year 8 1/2 of the Moore Era is? The GM admits we have too many holes to compete, but won't do anything to fix them? What madness is this?
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07-22-2014, 11:18 AM	#7552
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $2554950	BTW, Yankees acquired Chase Headley
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07-22-2014, 11:19 AM	#7553
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17686178 VARSITY	Chase Heddy?
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07-22-2014, 11:52 AM	#7559
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $2328752	I would trade Davis simply because we know that Holland can save games, don't know if Wade has the mental makeup to do that for sure. I would let some other team find out.
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