Report: Tom Brady destroyed his phone. Appeal has been denied.

[The Franchise]

Nope.....he did nothing wrong.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/...eld/ar-AAdBouH

The NFL is going to reject Tom Brady’s appeal and uphold the four-game suspension he is facing for his alleged role in Deflategate, according to one report.

Stephen A. Smith said on ESPN’s “First Take” Tuesday morning that a source told him Roger Goodell will not reduce or overturn Brady’s suspension. Perhaps more shocking, Smith cited a separate source who told him Brady actually destroyed his own personal cell phone rather than just refusing to turn it over.

We have known all along that the bigger issue here is Brady’s lack of cooperation during the Ted Wells investigation. The NFL was furious that Brady wouldn’t give up “relevant” text messages and emails that might help clarify his level of involvement — or lack thereof — in Patriots equipment managers allegedly letting air out of game balls.

Smith clarified that he was told by one source that the NFL is going stand by its four-game suspension within the next 24-48 hours, whereas the information about Brady destroying his cell phone was just “something I heard.” It was almost as if he was downplaying the information knowing how much of a bombshell the rumor was.

Reports in recent weeks have been all over the place regarding Brady’s appeal. There has been some indication that the two sides are working toward a settlement, though reports like this one make that seem unlikely.

If the NFL upholds the suspension, no one would be stunned. If someone can prove that Brady destroyed his cell phone, that would be tough for the New England Patriots quarterback to explain.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Oh, please pats fan, explain how the courts can't subpoena Brady's phone AND records in federal court or any of the other things I just said.

I'll check back later.

It depends on the precise arguments Brady makes in his appeal, but if he doesn't directly challenge the conclusions of the Wells report then nothing on the phone could be material to any issue or defense involved in the proceeding.

That is a path he may very well take.

If he takes a path that involves challenging the Wells report, then the entire process may well become open to reinvestigation, in which case the proceeding could easily take years, and yes the phone and all other data/documetns would be discoverable.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, except for the fact that Walt Coleman, the man who was supposed to check the PSI in the footballs, can't remember which gauge he used, can't remember when he checked them and can't remember anything pertinent to the situation.

Actually, I believe he said that his best recollection was that he used a certain gauge, but in finding the science to back deflation, the Wells Report specifically rejected that, and his memory, while otherwise praising his memroy and acceping everything ELSE he said as true.

Which is...odd.

[Hootie]

amnorix

why would the NFL try and tarnish THEIR GOLDEN BOY'S legacy? Please. I must know. I want to hear your spin on that one.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

My god, some of you people are so blinded by your hatred of the Patriots to come to any type of rational conclusion.

There have been completely independent tests and plenty of physicist who have stated that the Wells report was deeply flawed. Period.

Roger Goodell ****ed this up, just like he ****s up everything. Inconsistent punishment, stupid decisions but more importantly, the dumbshit couldn't even hire someone outside the NFL's sphere of influence to investigate a troubling claim by the Colts and Ravens.

IMO, the whole thing should be thrown out, along with Goodell. It's completely biased, ignores evidence and interviews and will likely make the league office look even worse after it's all said and done.

this

[Red Dawg]

Good lord. If all this is true his butt has sealed his fait in the public eye as being a liar and a cheat for sure. There would be no other reason to destroy his own phone. Goodall burned the walk through tapes and now Brady has killed his own phone. Must have been some bad shit on it. Real bad.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by notorious

Actually, they wanted something from Tom to prove his innocence. Anything. They wanted this to come out clean so that he could play.


Name one reason the NFL would want to actively risk themselves and suspend their most popular player.

Because like any other seemingly monolithic organization, the NFL is made up of human beings.

Name one reaosn why the initial leaks, which said that all 12 balls were 2 pounds under weight, were never denied, even though that was absolutely false.

The whole thing was launched by the Colts, who hate the Patriots, and a senior NFL executive who whose father was Presidnet of the Jets, and who himself worked for the Jets when BB stiffed them and walked out the door to join the Patriots.

Whatever, I'm not much of a fan of conspiracy theories.

I am a fan of science, which doesn't well support ANY deflation.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Wildcat2005

You keep saying that but are unfamiliar with the threshold that was required

"More probable than not" was the only threshold that was required, thus the only one that was used

That phrase from a legal standpoint in no what suggests uncertainty or that it is some sort of hunch
They could of found a photo of Brady deflating balls himself and in the legal documents it still would of stated "more probable than not"

It's a weak case with critical evidence (i.e., Walt Coleman, the guy who actually measured the footballs) missing from the report.

Weak.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

First, Stephen A. Smith. Who said it was "something he heard". I'll await a somewhat more reliable source thanks.

Second, this case has become much more about power and perception than about justice, fairness or science.

Amusingly, meanwhile, the NFL has dramatically revised procedures around game ball handling and measurement, tacitly admitting that it had lousy procedures in place before, and certainly that it has no real way of knowing how the real world has affected game ball PSI for the last 70 years. It will be especially interesting to see if a year of data exonerates the Patriots.

Please stop. No matter what the problem was with the procedure it does not change the fact that he is guilty as hell.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by tk13

I find it hard to believe he destroyed his phone. Sounds like it's from the Chris Broussard school of reporting.

Still funny how insanely far people will stretch reality to defend Brady, since the NFL wants to bury the most successful QB of his generation and ruin his legacy. Makes complete sense.

There's a huge difference between "defending Brady" and leaving out critical information in the Wells Report.

I couldn't give two shits about Brady.

But the report, which took a ridiculous amount of time to produce, completely disregarded Walt Coleman and therefore, the report is worthless.

[Hootie]

yep yep yep

I'm sure the NBA can't wait to suspend LeBron James for no reason whatsoever just because ... well ... just ... well ... because?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

If anything they protected him by only giving four games. Not near enough.

So, suspend a guy for four games or more because he "might have" asked someone to tamper with football but then again, might not have asked someone to tamper with footballs?

That's insane.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

There is plenty of evidence they cheated. Shocking people are still arguing there isn't. It's just stupid.

[Hootie]

I can't believe baseball didn't suspend Derek Jeter for ... uhm ... not uh ... uhm ... uhh .. uhm ... uhhh ... yeahhh

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

amnorix

why would the NFL try and tarnish THEIR GOLDEN BOY'S legacy? Please. I must know. I want to hear your spin on that one.

I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories, whether it's 9/11 or Deflategate. Are there elements in the NFL that hate the Patriots? Sure. Did the Colts intentionally spread the leaks about deflategate? Obviously. Did the NFL fail to quelch intentionally false exaggerations of the extent of deflategate? Obviously.

But I don't believe Wells or his team hates the Patriots. I think they're poor scientists at best, that the science doesn't support intentional deflation (because the deflation, which obviously did occur) is well within what the ideal gas law would provide, that the report used numerous leaps of logic (especially in ignoring the critical evidence provided by the game-day ref).

Whatever, we've had this debate, and as I've said, I'm well past it. The reputational damage is done, and nothing will change that now.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So, suspend a guy for four games or more because he "might have" asked someone to tamper with football but then again, might not have asked someone to tamper with footballs?

That's insane.

To me it's pretty obvious there was a cover up, he did ask and footballs were in fact tampered with. The league also agrees so.....