Poop Andy Reid's football team - Page 2

Eleazar · 06-23-2017, 08:01 AM

One of the most disturbing aspects of yesterday's series of disturbing events, to me, is that we now have Reid effectively running the team himself.

The word is that they will hire a GM, but Reid is clearly above the GM - past and future - in the pecking order. When the line was drawn, Hunt chose Reid.

To me this is never going to work.

CHunt has created a scheme where the head coach reports directly to the owner which undermines the role of the GM, fundamentally. Reid seems to clearly have been chosen over Dorsey after the relationship deteriorated and now in the search for the GM itself, we can expect that Reid will be a primary decision maker in who is hired, which subjugates the GM even further. Will it do the team good to have a yes-man at GM?

So now, what is going to be the practical difference between Reid's power play and his position in Philadelphia where he controlled everything?

Are we happy that Reid will be without Dorsey's moderating influence in the future?

Does this mean that Reid wanted Mahomes but not Dorsey, and that was a factor in the split? Should it comfort us, with Reid's history of drafting, developing, and selecting free agent QBs, including his hand-picked incumbent starter, Alex Smith?

I think everyone's alarm should be up right now. The Hunt family has a history of being too loyal to guys who weren't good enough in the past, and now Reid has basically been given the keys to the franchise. A guy who can't effectively run three time outs and two challenges.

This didn't end well in Philadelphia and, barring Mahomes becoming elite and being able to turn this goat **** into gasoline, I don't think this is going to end well either.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-23-2017, 09:23 AM

Good ****ing god.

Poe has been on the decline since his back surgery in 2015. His play slipped big time last year. ILBer isn't a "value position" in this defense and never will be a valued position because they're in nickel and dime for two out of three downs.

Dorsey wasn't fired for allowing Poe to walk and not overdrafting an ILBer (or failing to sign and old bucket of bolts).

JakeF · 06-23-2017, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Dorsey bungled the salary cap and so he's gone. Not much more to the story. He can draft and find steals from the UDFA pool and cut lists, but you can't keep screwing the pooch on your big contracts.

So Hunt chose money over talent? Most Chiefs fans were screaming to pay Houston and Berry and now they are blaming Dorsey for it.

Prison Bitch · 06-23-2017, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

So Hunt chose money over talent? Most Chiefs fans were screaming to pay Houston and Berry and now they are blaming Dorsey for it.

I don't like paying anyone but that's just me. Dorsey spent big on Alex when he could've just slow played him. Or chosen to slow play Houston. OR! Slow play Berry now. But he got screwed in all 3 deals (berry will prove to be a bad deal imo )

Clark is willing to spend, but burning $ unnecessarily makes owners mad

L.A. Chieffan · 06-23-2017, 09:58 AM

What's with the CHunt, I don't get it.

JakeF · 06-23-2017, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I don't like paying anyone but that's just me. Dorsey spent big on Alex when he could've just slow played him. Or chosen to slow play Houston. OR! Slow play Berry now. But he got screwed in all 3 deals (berry will prove to be a bad deal imo )

Clark is willing to spend, but burning $ unnecessarily makes owners mad

Dorsey wasn't good at the contract part of the job but it's his first time as a GM. The Chiefs should have given him more time to learn since he was so good at bringing in talent. They could have even brought in a capologist like many other teams have done.

Prison Bitch · 06-23-2017, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

Dorsey wasn't good at the contract part of the job but it's his first time as a GM. The Chiefs should have given him more time to learn since he was so good at bringing in talent. They could have even brought in a capologist like many other teams have done.

This is true

Fat Andy pushed him out before that could happen. Or rejected that suggestion

Eleazar · 06-23-2017, 10:14 AM

The rationalization process has begun.

Dorsey was the problem! The cap was the problem!

Andy's hand-picked QB, anemic offense and defense, and poor game management - definitely not the problem!

Dorsey was the one holding this organization back!

JakeF · 06-23-2017, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

The rationalization process has begun.

Dorsey was the problem! The cap was the problem!

Andy's hand-picked QB, anemic offense and defense, and poor game management - definitely not the problem!

Dorsey was the one holding this organization back!

You don't suck for 2 decades without it being the owner.

Reerun_KC · 06-23-2017, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

You don't suck for 2 decades without it being the owner.

2 decades? How about 4. And don't rebuttal with Marty era bullshit either. We sucked then as well.

KChiefs1 · 06-23-2017, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefinSD

One of the GM's of our biggest rivals still thinks we have the best 53 top to bottom in the league.

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Prison Bitch · 06-23-2017, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

The rationalization process has begun.

Dorsey was the problem! The cap was the problem!

Andy's hand-picked QB, anemic offense and defense, and poor game management - definitely not the problem!

Dorsey was the one holding this organization back!

Dude, that's not being argued. Straw man away, if you must

NWTF · 06-23-2017, 10:49 AM

Andy is Clarks boy. If it came down to Andy or Dorsey Andy wins, but I dont think thats what happened here.

BigCatDaddy · 06-23-2017, 11:20 AM

Andy has always called the shots. Nothing changes except losing Dorsey's player evaluation skills. Reid picked Dorsey! Clark rubber stamped it.

keg in kc · 06-23-2017, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

KC is looking a lot like Philly, and not the golden years.

Yeah, I brought this up yesterday, but nobody wants to hear it. I guess we're still in the unicorns and rainbows portion of the offseason, and everything will be alllll right, no matter what.

My impression, from listening to both of them, was that Reid and Dorsey worked as a collaboration. I'm guessing that whoever comes in next is most likely to be a second fiddle. And I just don't believe that's a good thing. As you mention, the 2010-2012 Eagles decline/trainwreck comes to mind.

For four years, we've basically seen the same stuff as post-2004 Philadelphia, so I'm not sure why this would be any different.

keg in kc · 06-23-2017, 11:31 AM

In any case, at the end of the day, firing your general manager in late June can in no way be construed as a good thing, no matter how hard anybody wants to spin it. No matter who is responsible, whether it's Reid or Clark or Dorsey himself (looking at GB...), this kind of shit just doesn't happen, particularly not for teams that are winning.

06-23-2017, 08:01 AM
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Andy Reid's football team One of the most disturbing aspects of yesterday's series of disturbing events, to me, is that we now have Reid effectively running the team himself. The word is that they will hire a GM, but Reid is clearly above the GM - past and future - in the pecking order. When the line was drawn, Hunt chose Reid. To me this is never going to work. CHunt has created a scheme where the head coach reports directly to the owner which undermines the role of the GM, fundamentally. Reid seems to clearly have been chosen over Dorsey after the relationship deteriorated and now in the search for the GM itself, we can expect that Reid will be a primary decision maker in who is hired, which subjugates the GM even further. Will it do the team good to have a yes-man at GM? So now, what is going to be the practical difference between Reid's power play and his position in Philadelphia where he controlled everything? Are we happy that Reid will be without Dorsey's moderating influence in the future? Does this mean that Reid wanted Mahomes but not Dorsey, and that was a factor in the split? Should it comfort us, with Reid's history of drafting, developing, and selecting free agent QBs, including his hand-picked incumbent starter, Alex Smith? I think everyone's alarm should be up right now. The Hunt family has a history of being too loyal to guys who weren't good enough in the past, and now Reid has basically been given the keys to the franchise. A guy who can't effectively run three time outs and two challenges. This didn't end well in Philadelphia and, barring Mahomes becoming elite and being able to turn this goat **** into gasoline, I don't think this is going to end well either.
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06-23-2017, 09:23 AM	#16
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Good ****ing god. Poe has been on the decline since his back surgery in 2015. His play slipped big time last year. ILBer isn't a "value position" in this defense and never will be a valued position because they're in nickel and dime for two out of three downs. Dorsey wasn't fired for allowing Poe to walk and not overdrafting an ILBer (or failing to sign and old bucket of bolts).
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06-23-2017, 09:58 AM	#19
L.A. Chieffan PLAY GOOD FOOTBALL Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: American Gardens Building Casino cash: $4018654	What's with the CHunt, I don't get it.
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06-23-2017, 10:14 AM	#22
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	The rationalization process has begun. Dorsey was the problem! The cap was the problem! Andy's hand-picked QB, anemic offense and defense, and poor game management - definitely not the problem! Dorsey was the one holding this organization back!
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06-23-2017, 10:49 AM	#27
NWTF Veteran Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: overland park Casino cash: $9827081	Andy is Clarks boy. If it came down to Andy or Dorsey Andy wins, but I dont think thats what happened here.
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06-23-2017, 11:20 AM	#28
BigCatDaddy The Beast Inside Your Head Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $1979122	Andy has always called the shots. Nothing changes except losing Dorsey's player evaluation skills. Reid picked Dorsey! Clark rubber stamped it.
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06-23-2017, 11:31 AM	#30
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	In any case, at the end of the day, firing your general manager in late June can in no way be construed as a good thing, no matter how hard anybody wants to spin it. No matter who is responsible, whether it's Reid or Clark or Dorsey himself (looking at GB...), this kind of shit just doesn't happen, particularly not for teams that are winning.
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