Yep, Alex Smith is here to stay.

[In58men]

Hard to swallow.


What a horrible draft. Glad I didn't stick around for the whole thing. I would have wasted valuable time. Reid is a complete moron. Never go all in on a guy like Alex Smith. Your offseason is a complete joke.

That's all

[Messier]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I had no voice in the GM search. I don't pretend to scout other teams front offices.

Dorsey was said to be one of the top candidates out there. Fine. But lets not pretend he was calling shots in GB and then praise him for what he did in GB and ignore his first order of business in KC.

What was his first order of business?

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by jd1020

That's what it took? Nah. Don't think there was any other team willing to give up 2 picks, let alone a second for Alex Smith.

Other "hot commodity" QB's went for ****ing pennies.

Dorsey got bent over a table and took it up his ass by an experienced GM.

Really? and you know this...how? And what other 'hot commodity' QB's are we talking about? Matt ****ing Flynn? Because that's not even close to being an equal player. You really think that teams wanted Kolb and Flynn more than Smith? You really think that nobody else that was in the hunt for a QB of all the teams that signed a vet had inquired after Smith? You're delusional.

Smith is a middle of the road journeyman at this point in his career, but he was by far the best option available. You guys really think nobody else wanted him? You're nuts.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Messier

What was his first order of business?

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Really? and you know this...how? And what other 'hot commodity' QB's are we talking about? Matt ****ing Flynn? Because that's not even close to being an equal player. You really think that teams wanted Kolb and Flynn more than Smith? You really think that nobody else that was in the hunt for a QB of all the teams that signed a vet had inquired after Smith? You're delusional.

Smith is a middle of the road journeyman at this point in his career, but he was by far the best option available. You guys really think nobody else wanted him? You're nuts.

I'm sure there were plenty of calls to the 49ers regarding Smith.

However, no one was willing to get ****ed like Dorsey and the Chiefs.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by jd1020

What was his first order of business?

[ayleswbj]

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

You can make all the excuses you want, 8 years in the league means you are what you are. People can point to all the examples of guys who have been late bloomers, but that's the same thing as trying to find a tom brady in the sixth round. The Chiefs made a horrible choice in giving up this year's 34th pick. Forget about next year's pick for now. at 34 the only qb off the board was Manual. So if any of the other qbs in this draft play better than alex smith, Reid and Dorsey have failed, have set this franchise back years, and should be fired. I know it is a little soon, but why should we have to sit through another 4 years of this crap?

Its not an excuse, it is a fact of who was on the roster. 15 of the 20 guys i named barely had careers. Its nice you put up that stat about Cassel and Smith, but look at which direction the numbers go in. 43 of Smiths 63 int's came from 05 to 09. He sat out the 08 season and 24 of his 36 fumbles as well came his first 4 years. 44 of Cassels 57 pics have come the last 4 years and 17 of his 24 fumbles as well. He regresses at an age when you should be coming into your prime an be playing your best football. Smith has improved without a doubt. Both have been on completely lousy teams. One has improved the other folded like a cheap suit.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I'm sure there were plenty of calls to the 49ers regarding Smith.

However, no one was willing to get ****ed like Dorsey and the Chiefs.

This. At best I think a third and even a third and 6th round but not 2 twos back to back years. **** that shit.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Really? and you know this...how? And what other 'hot commodity' QB's are we talking about? Matt ****ing Flynn? Because that's not even close to being an equal player. You really think that teams wanted Kolb and Flynn more than Smith? You really think that nobody else that was in the hunt for a QB of all the teams that signed a vet had inquired after Smith? You're delusional.

Smith is a middle of the road journeyman at this point in his career, but he was by far the best option available. You guys really think nobody else wanted him? You're nuts.

So why give up two second-round picks (that's what it will end up being... KC will game-manage its way to enough wins this year to do it) for a guy who is a journeyman/game manager?

Trading for Alex Smith over trading for Flynn/signing Jason Campbell or Matt Moore/etc. is worth how many more wins this season? 1? 2? It's the difference between being 6-10 and 8-8? Whoop-de-freaking-do.

It's a short-sighted move unless Alex Smith transforms into a top 10 QB who leads his team to victory THROWING the football with consistency. A guy who can win playoff games and put his team on his back. An elite (or at least near-elite) QB.

But hey, at least it will make the true fans and t-shirt fans happy, and Arrowhead will sell out again. So Clark Hunt will make money, which is nice...

[Messier]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Also, since you have no alternative other than Dorsey, I don't see what your problem with him is?

[Chris Meck]

You've just decided to have an opinion, and you're going to keep it no matter what.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

You can make all the excuses you want, 8 years in the league means you are what you are. People can point to all the examples of guys who have been late bloomers, but that's the same thing as trying to find a tom brady in the sixth round. The Chiefs made a horrible choice in giving up this year's 34th pick. Forget about next year's pick for now. at 34 the only qb off the board was Manual. So if any of the other qbs in this draft play better than alex smith, Reid and Dorsey have failed, have set this franchise back years, and should be fired. I know it is a little soon, but why should we have to sit through another 4 years of this crap?

And if the guy they drafted at 34 was no better or worse than Smith? Same difference. They made a call to say Smith was better than, say, Geno. You would likely have to give Geno 3-4 years to prove himself, while probably wasting another year of DJ, Hali, Bowe, and Charles' prime waiting for him to grow into the role this year. If he does, great. If he doesn't, well we've seen what the pattern has been with Sanchize, Freeman, Locker, Ponder, Gabbert, etc. Keep throwing them out there until you are sure they aren't going to be any better than someone you need to replace.

They made an evaluation on Smith that based on his skillet and based on the last few years, he would be a better fit for Reid and that he would be able to help them win more quickly. The evaluation may be totally wrong, but if it is, you've got more info on Smith to move on from him faster than a rookie.

If Geno is a top 5 QB then yeah, this team and everyone not named the Jets made a colossal blunder...

[BossChief]

Andy Reid hasn't married a qb that didn't win.

He spent a very high second on Kolb and shipped him out when he didn't win.
He spent 100 million on Vick and benched him when he didn't win a little over a year later.

There is nothing saying that Alex will be any different.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

You can make all the excuses you want, 8 years in the league means you are what you are. People can point to all the examples of guys who have been late bloomers, but that's the same thing as trying to find a tom brady in the sixth round. The Chiefs made a horrible choice in giving up this year's 34th pick. Forget about next year's pick for now. at 34 the only qb off the board was Manual. So if any of the other qbs in this draft play better than alex smith, Reid and Dorsey have failed, have set this franchise back years, and should be fired. I know it is a little soon, but why should we have to sit through another 4 years of this crap?

Career stats mean nothing here. We're not trying convince anyone that Alex Smith belongs in the hall of fame we're discussing what kind of QB he is right now. So what happened to a 20 year old kid who was thrown to the wolves doesn't really matter at this point. To me Alex Smith is what he's been for the last couple seasons. If you look at his last 30 complete games he's put up a QB rating of 97.6. He's done it in conservative fashion but that's what we are getting. His biggest concern is staying on the field.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Messier

Also, since you have no alternative other than Dorsey, I don't see what your problem with him is?

Because I had no opinion on who to hire as GM this means I have to sit around and be happy about every boneheaded, reeruned, idiotic decision this dude makes?

Go **** yourself.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

So why give up two second-round picks (that's what it will end up being... KC will game-manage its way to enough wins this year to do it) for a guy who is a journeyman/game manager?

Trading for Alex Smith over trading for Flynn/signing Jason Campbell or Matt Moore/etc. is worth how many more wins this season? 1? 2? It's the difference between being 6-10 and 8-8? Whoop-de-freaking-do.

It's a short-sighted move unless Alex Smith transforms into a top 10 QB who leads his team to victory THROWING the football with consistency. A guy who can win playoff games and put his team on his back. An elite (or at least near-elite) QB.

because THAT IS WHAT THE MARKET DEMANDED. Because this is a BAD year to need a QB because there was nothing but PROJECTS in the DRAFT. There were only a couple of tested veterans available. They gave up what they HAD TO. You really think Dorsey just called up and said," Hey gee whiz guys, howz about a coupla 2nd round picks for Alex?"

You really think that's how that happened? You're delusional.