baseball and steroids

whoman69 · 12-07-2004, 07:04 PM

do you care?

**Saulbadguy** · 12-07-2004, 07:07 PM

I could care less. I might care when players install artificial super retinas, wired reflexes, and synthetic muscle fibers.

mcan · 12-07-2004, 08:28 PM

Athletes have been on drugs since there were drugs to be given to them.. IE: the 1970s...

The fact is, drugs don't make you stronger. Steroids will only help you recover faster and maximize the work that you do in the gym. Most of the athletes back in the day ate crappy food and worked out a couple times a week... Then vacationed the entire offseason... The were on high dosages of steroids, but it didn't show on most of them because they didn't work as hard as the modern athlete.

Barry Bonds, et all... They are in the gym everyday, eating 2 grams of protein for every pound of body weight, working on their game the ENTIRE offseason, and they are working their asses off. They take steroids in much safer dosages, and most of them have a cycling program that minimizes the ill health effects... There really isn't any reason why an athlete (or any citizen for that matter) who is being safe about using these drugs, shouldn't be allowed to use them.

THEY DO NOT MAKE YOU A BETTER ATHLETE!!!

Deberg_1990 · 12-07-2004, 08:37 PM

I Dont know..I prefered the Mini-Bonds to juiced up Bonds

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...vis/index.html

**Bowser** · 12-07-2004, 08:40 PM

No matter how juiced up a guy is, he still has to have the skill to put a bat on a ball.

jspchief · 12-07-2004, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mcan

THEY DO NOT MAKE YOU A BETTER ATHLETE!!!

Then why take them?

mcan · 12-07-2004, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Then why take them?

Because you can work out three times more often and twice as hard without being worthless all week long... They allow you to WORK HARDER, and the hard work makes you a better athlete.

I dare you to take steroids every day and sit around eating nachos and drinking beer... How much muscle to you suppose that you'll build? None!

Then, go to the gym with a friend of yours who is roughly the same size and build. You take a ton of steroids and keep him clean. Both of you do exactly the same amount of work in the gym and eat the same kinds of food. The only difference between your results at the end of the month is that you will probably be leaner than him (less fat due to higher metabolic rate) and will not be as sore (quicker recovery time due to high levels of testosterone). You will probably not be much stronger or bigger than him though...

Boozer · 12-07-2004, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mcan

Because you can work out three times more often and twice as hard without being worthless all week long... They allow you to WORK HARDER, and the hard work makes you a better athlete.

I dare you to take steroids every day and sit around eating nachos and drinking beer... How much muscle to you suppose that you'll build? None!

Then, go to the gym with a friend of yours who is roughly the same size and build. You take a ton of steroids and keep him clean. Both of you do exactly the same amount of work in the gym and eat the same kinds of food. The only difference between your results at the end of the month is that you will probably be leaner than him (less fat due to higher metabolic rate) and will not be as sore (quicker recovery time due to high levels of testosterone). You will probably not be much stronger or bigger than him though...

Eh, I'd take issue with that last statement.

jspchief · 12-07-2004, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mcan

Because you can work out three times more often and twice as hard without being worthless all week long... They allow you to WORK HARDER, and the hard work makes you a better athlete.

I dare you to take steroids every day and sit around eating nachos and drinking beer... How much muscle to you suppose that you'll build? None!

Then, go to the gym with a friend of yours who is roughly the same size and build. You take a ton of steroids and keep him clean. Both of you do exactly the same amount of work in the gym and eat the same kinds of food. The only difference between your results at the end of the month is that you will probably be leaner than him (less fat due to higher metabolic rate) and will not be as sore (quicker recovery time due to high levels of testosterone). You will probably not be much stronger or bigger than him though...

Take two exactly equal players and give one of them steroids, and the one that takes steroids gets an advantage. Period.

Logical · 12-07-2004, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mcan

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Then, go to the gym with a friend of yours who is roughly the same size and build. You take a ton of steroids and keep him clean. Both of you do exactly the same amount of work in the gym and eat the same kinds of food. The only difference between your results at the end of the month is that you will probably be leaner than him (less fat due to higher metabolic rate) and will not be as sore (quicker recovery time due to high levels of testosterone). You will probably not be much stronger or bigger than him though...

Actually I sort of question your last statement as well. It is my understanding that the steroids will will allow the muscle tissue to regenerate at a slightly faster rate than without it. So if you are both doing intense weight training the steroid user will see slightly more benefit. Big Daddy is the expert on this so I will defer to him if he shows up.

Logical · 12-07-2004, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mcan

Athletes have been on drugs since there were drugs to be given to them.. IE: the 1970s...

The fact is, drugs don't make you stronger. Steroids will only help you recover faster and maximize the work that you do in the gym. Most of the athletes back in the day ate crappy food and worked out a couple times a week... Then vacationed the entire offseason... The were on high dosages of steroids, but it didn't show on most of them because they didn't work as hard as the modern athlete.

Barry Bonds, et all... They are in the gym everyday, eating 2 grams of protein for every pound of body weight, working on their game the ENTIRE offseason, and they are working their asses off. They take steroids in much safer dosages, and most of them have a cycling program that minimizes the ill health effects... There really isn't any reason why an athlete (or any citizen for that matter) who is being safe about using these drugs, shouldn't be allowed to use them.

THEY DO NOT MAKE YOU A BETTER ATHLETE!!!

I agree, they only enhance your ability to be a better athlete.

mcan · 12-07-2004, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

I agree, they only enhance your ability to be a better athlete.

One amendment and this statement is accurate...

"They only enhance your ability to BECOME a better athlete."

Logical · 12-07-2004, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mcan

One amendment and this statement is accurate...

"They only enhance your ability to BECOME a better athlete."

KCJake · 12-08-2004, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mcan

Athletes have been on drugs since there were drugs to be given to them.. IE: the 1970s...

The fact is, drugs don't make you stronger. Steroids will only help you recover faster and maximize the work that you do in the gym. Most of the athletes back in the day ate crappy food and worked out a couple times a week... Then vacationed the entire offseason... The were on high dosages of steroids, but it didn't show on most of them because they didn't work as hard as the modern athlete.

Barry Bonds, et all... They are in the gym everyday, eating 2 grams of protein for every pound of body weight, working on their game the ENTIRE offseason, and they are working their asses off. They take steroids in much safer dosages, and most of them have a cycling program that minimizes the ill health effects... There really isn't any reason why an athlete (or any citizen for that matter) who is being safe about using these drugs, shouldn't be allowed to use them.

The smartest man on the planet. Finally, someone that knows what their talking about.

**Dave Lane** · 12-08-2004, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

I could care less. I might care when players install artificial super retinas, wired reflexes, and synthetic muscle fibers.

Why then?

Dave

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mcan Apr 13,1949 – Dec 15, 2011 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $9996085	Athletes have been on drugs since there were drugs to be given to them.. IE: the 1970s... The fact is, drugs don't make you stronger. Steroids will only help you recover faster and maximize the work that you do in the gym. Most of the athletes back in the day ate crappy food and worked out a couple times a week... Then vacationed the entire offseason... The were on high dosages of steroids, but it didn't show on most of them because they didn't work as hard as the modern athlete. Barry Bonds, et all... They are in the gym everyday, eating 2 grams of protein for every pound of body weight, working on their game the ENTIRE offseason, and they are working their asses off. They take steroids in much safer dosages, and most of them have a cycling program that minimizes the ill health effects... There really isn't any reason why an athlete (or any citizen for that matter) who is being safe about using these drugs, shouldn't be allowed to use them. THEY DO NOT MAKE YOU A BETTER ATHLETE!!!
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