Pagano Tosses Luck under the bus

[Hootie]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/2014/stats/expanded

Luck 13th ... despite winning a division (shit division) and throwing for 40 TD's

this is the NFL equivalent to bWAR

it works ... and it's accurate

Luck is not an elite NFL QB [yet] and has never shown to be. Time to stop making excuses for the guy. It's his 4th year.

[tk13]

The Colts do play in a poor division. They still defeated the AFC West champ and the AFC North 2nd place team in the playoffs. I'd like to know which part of this great team is carrying Luck.

Their leading rusher last year was Trent Richardson.

Trent Richardson.

Trent.

Richardson.

He's not even in the league anymore. Was is it his 3.3 ypc average that carried Luck to victory? He definitely took a lot of pressure off the passing game. I really don't know why they even attempted to pass the ball. Their 2nd leading WR was Reggie Wayne, who is no longer in the NFL. Or was it their elite 19th ranked defense that gave up 30+ to the Broncos, 40+ to the Cowboys, 40+ to the Patriots twice and 50+ against the Steelers? Luck was very fortunate they were able to stifle every elite offense they faced.

Luck has really been fortunate to walk into such a legendary group of talent. I'd imagine most young QBs would have won 2 or 3 Super Bowls by now. He's really been a failure in this league when you consider the facts.

[Hootie]

the Colts went 3-1 in December last year and Luck played 4 garbage football games

how exactly did they win those games if Luck is the only guy on their team?

[tk13]

He's not. You've clearly won this argument.

Seattle could save a lot of money if they'd cut Lynch and their defense. If Wilson or Brady or Manning could play with Trent Richardson and Boom Herron in the backfield, and a defense that literally gave up 30+ to almost every good offense they faced, those other guys would probably go undefeated. Luck only won 11 games and a couple playoff games with that group. He's practically Cassel with the 08 Patriots.

[Hootie]

are you saying that Boom Herron and Ahmad Bradshaw didn't play good RB for the Colts last year?

I'm sorry that I'm not giving Andrew Luck a pass for playing on a "garbage" team when his "garbage" team shared a division with Tennessee, Houston and Jacksonville.

I'm pretty sure Buffalo, Miami, NYJ, KC, San Diego, Baltimore, Cincy and Pitt would have all won that division if they were fortunate enough to switch places with Indy.

but hey, it sure is impressive that Luck could drag Trent Richardson to the playoffs beating up on Ryan Mettenberger Fitzpatrick Bortles ... as the Colts constantly used T-Rich as their #2 back ... but way to prop him up to make your argument look better

did you even watch the Colts last year?

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

are you saying that Boom Herron and Ahmad Bradshaw didn't play good RB for the Colts last year?

I'm sorry that I'm not giving Andrew Luck a pass for playing on a "garbage" team when his "garbage" team shared a division with Tennessee, Houston and Jacksonville.

I'm pretty sure Buffalo, Miami, NYJ, KC, San Diego, Baltimore, Cincy and Pitt would have all won that division if they were fortunate enough to switch places with Indy.

but hey, it sure is impressive that Luck could drag Trent Richardson to the playoffs beating up on Ryan Mettenberger Fitzpatrick Bortles ... as the Colts constantly used T-Rich as their #2 back ... but way to prop him up to make your argument look better

did you even watch the Colts last year?

Bradshaw did play well, but he didn't even lead the team in carries. He got 90 carries on the season. And how many playoff carries did he get?

Zero.

So now you're arguing that Bradshaw helped carry Luck with his 90 regular season carries, and also in the playoffs when he didn't get a single carry. I totally agree. Reid should probably cut Charles workload down so he gets 90 carries, and Davis gets the rest.

[tk13]

Oh I forgot Zurlon Tipton. That guy got some carries in the playoffs too. Honestly I'd cut Charles in the offseason just so we can give Zurlon Tipton some carries. Herron/Tipton was basically Word/Okoye last year.

[Hootie]

Herron was actually quite good with Indy last year ... but I'm glad this has turned into propping up Luck because he has no name RB's. What? Cool. You know, Arian Foster was once a no name RB.

I care 0% about NFL RB's. It's not a running league. The Patriots hired Dion Lewis away from the Sonic drive thru and he looks like Marshall Faulk.

[Hootie]

Gotcha.

Man!

Let's talk about Russell Wilson's leading Super Bowl receiver ... a guy inactive all year long ... and didn't make his first catch until the Super Bowl.

Holy shit! I wonder what he could have done with T.Y. Hilton, Reggie Wayne, Donte Moncrief, Coby Fleener and Dwayne Allen!??!?!

!!!!!!

Two can play this idiotic game.

Chris ****ing Mathews.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Gotcha.

Man!

Let's talk about Russell Wilson's leading Super Bowl receiver ... a guy inactive all year long ... and didn't make his first catch until the Super Bowl.

Holy shit! I wonder what he could have done with T.Y. Hilton, Reggie Wayne, Donte Moncrief, Coby Fleener and Dwayne Allen!??!?!

!!!!!!

Two can play this idiotic game.

Chris ****ing Mathews.

Can't help but agree that Russell Wilson is a smarter and more efficient QB. People on here making excuses for Luck that he has no receivers and no o-line should look at what the Seahawks have given Wilson. Wilson has simply done that much better with less around him (granted, he does have a much better defense).

[tk13]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Can't help but agree that Russell Wilson is a smarter and more efficient QB. People on here making excuses for Luck that he has no receivers and no o-line should look at what the Seahawks have given Wilson. Wilson has simply done that much better with less around him (granted, he does have a much better defense).

You give Luck a defense that allows 15 points per game, and watch what happens.

Honestly, give Alex Smith a defense that allows 15 points per game, and watch what happens. The Chiefs would probably get the #1 seed.

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Originally Posted by tk13

You give Luck a defense that allows 15 points per game, and watch what happens.

Honestly, give Alex Smith a defense that allows 15 points per game, and watch what happens. The Chiefs would probably get the #1 seed.

But what I'm saying is that Luck has had great receivers and a quality O-line and his efficiency still lags behind Wilson who has struggled to find quality receivers with the instability of Harvin, the departure of Tate, and shoddy tight ends.

[tk13]

I've always said you don't need great WRs or CBs to win a Super Bowl. I've said that from the beginning of time. I don't know what argument you think you're winning. I wasn't too hot on resigning Bowe, Carr, or Flowers. And I probably won't be too hot on re-signing Peters. Good teams can draft those positions, even in the lower rounds.

So now we've circled the the entire argument. Luck isn't carrying his team because a QB isn't as important as the entire team, but the RB, WR and defense doesn't matter. So, that leaves...

[Hootie]

I definitely think Luck carries the Colts. I think Wilson carries the hawks, Romo carries the cowboys and Brady carries the pats, too. I'm just scoffing at the notion of Luck being dealt some rough hand when he has played in the weakest division in NFL history during his time in Indy

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I definitely think Luck carries the Colts. I think Wilson carries the hawks, Romo carries the cowboys and Brady carries the pats, too. I'm just scoffing at the notion of Luck being dealt some rough hand when he has played in the weakest division in NFL history during his time in Indy

And you consider he is practically undefeated in his division and barely .500 against the rest of the AFC, makes you question how 'elite' he is when he is playing against shit defenses so far in his career. Well except for the last two games and in the playoffs in the past, his true form shows. Pagano is spot on to say that Luck needs to stop turning over the ball in competitive games.