The old Grbac returns true to form - Page 4

dtforever · 12-05-2000, 07:52 AM

1 minute left, no timeouts and the first play Grbac runs is a five yard QB keeper!

The last play with six seconds is a five yard pass when the goal line is 11 yards away!

Stupidity is the main reason why Elvis will never take any team to a Super Bowl. I have seen to many decisions like these from Elvis. If he hasnt learned by now, he will never learn.

Elvis better pray that Carl is still around come February because no GM in their right mind would pay this loser a 10 million dollar roster bonus.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-05-2000, 09:37 AM

Packfan:

I watched most of the game last night. Rag all you like on Grbac about what you feel to be last-minute errors, overall he played a fine game. It was the team, overall, that sucked. I saw both Gonzales and Alexander drop passes they should have caught that forced the chiefs offense off the field. I saw one or two line drive kc punts that helped set up good field position for New England. I saw kc defensive linemen jump offsides. I saw a defense that crumbled when faced with a no-huddle offense. Grbac was the least of their problems.

kcmax · 12-05-2000, 09:39 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR> No wonder San Fran didn't want him. (and no other team for that matter). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I seem to remember San Fran couldn't afford him, and he had several other suitors, such as Chicago, Denver and Seattle.

Why not try using some factual info for a change, Ken. You just might earn some respect and take a step towards adulthood.

Scorpdork · 12-05-2000, 09:54 AM

Right,blame Grbac cause he had the last boo boo...the Morris fumble and Hicks off sides didn't have anything to do with the score ,did it ? The team lost this one more than Grbac,yes that play was a no brainer,but so was a lot of other plays last night!

[This message has been edited by ROYC75 (edited 12-05-2000).]

Luzap · 12-05-2000, 10:24 AM

[i]Until this guy produces a playoff win, you wont convince me that he has the mental ability or the heart to take this team any further. He is a loser. No wonder San Fran didnt want him. (and no other team for that matter).[/i]

First off, even if EG got to the SB, you would still call him a loser. Of course if KC got that far, you would be nowhere to be found on the BB. You only show up after losses.

Second, EG has had one chance at a playoff game. I hardly call that a loser since he's only had one chance. If he'd lost 3 or 4 in a row, then I might agree with you.

Last, dont sit there and tell me that the way to develop a QB is to sit him on the bench. A QB learns by playing the game not holding a clipboard.

dtforever · 12-05-2000, 10:27 AM

There is a fine line between winning and losing. Not only to Grbac make one bone-headed play, he also made one to start the drive (QB keeper for seven yards and 25 seconds) Stupid! One could argue that the defense got the Chiefs back in the game with the fumble recovery and stopping the Pats before the ill-fated drive. Grbac had the game in his hands and failed. Right now, he is a 5-8 QB. That sucks.

Elvis is a decent QB, but until he leads this team past the regular season, all he will be is decent. And in the NFL, decent isnt good enough.

dtforever · 12-05-2000, 10:29 AM

Titus,

Once again chirping without all the facts. Grbac has had at least two playoff games, one with San Fran (he helped the Packers beat the 49ers by throwing three ints) and the last time the Chiefs were in the playoffs. Get your **** straight, please!

Look at the bigger picture: 8 years in the league and two playoff appearances. I wonder why?

kcmax · 12-05-2000, 10:31 AM

Actually Packfool, he's a 5-7 QB(Moon is 0-1). Favre is 6-7. That's much better.

Luzap · 12-05-2000, 10:34 AM

Packfan: Im not talking about EG with relation to SF. It has not one damn thing to do with the Chiefs.

You said, 'this team'. I didnt think that referred to his prior history with other teams.

Tell you what, you stop talking out of your a$$ and I wont make you look even more like an idiot.

kcmax · 12-05-2000, 10:36 AM

Titus,
I guess we can talk about Favre's falcon days, as well.

Mosbonian · 12-05-2000, 10:52 AM

What the hell? I leave for two hours and you're still here running your mouth Fudge Packer? You really need to go out and find yourself a shot of leg for the night to ajust this attitude of yours.

Watch the tape again..........I mean REALLY watch it and if you can get that chip off your shoulder long enough, I think you will see that Elvis played a good game.

~Not holding my breath on this one~

[This message has been edited by Bwana (edited 12-05-2000).]

[This message has been edited by Bwana (edited 12-05-2000).]

**Baby Lee** · 12-05-2000, 11:21 AM

Granted, Elvis didn't come through and win it for us this time, but he did put us in a situation to have a legit chance to. He drove the field in how many seconds without any timeouts.

I agree, this was a team loss. The ST's coverage and defense lacked again. I thought the defense might turn it around, but I really think the big momentum swing(s) was the field goal to end the first half and then going 3 and out to begin the second half. I thought that was [b]killer[/b].

To Hicks' credit, he has had a lot more positive plays than negative.

------------------
Brian K.

[b]It doesn't make a difference what temperature a room is, it's always room temperature.
[/b]
[i]Steven Wright </I>

Yosef_Malkovitch · 12-05-2000, 11:47 AM

Packfan:

"Elvis is a decent QB, but until he leads this team past the regular season, all he will be is decent. And in the NFL, decent isnt good enough."

That's the problem in the NFL nowadays Ken. This league is filled with nothing but "decent" QB's, who overachieve one year, and then underachieve the next. Elvis has made good progress since the SD game last year, and has played, during that same stretch some of the best ball of [b]ANY[/b] QB in the league.

Has he made bonehead plays? Damn straight...but name me one QB who hasn't.

Could he be more intelligent about his throws into double coverage? Once again, sure could. But if you truly watch all the QB's in the league you will see a lot of forced throws, especially by the better QB's.

I cannot say Elvis is blameless for the Chiefs situation, but I can look around and keep myself busy if I was to kick butts of the people who helped contribute to the demise of the Chiefs. In fact that would probably be a full-time job.

If you really want to be angry with Grbac, fine, get it out. But, at least be reasonable enough to agree that the blame is long and distinguished in "usual suspects" and Elvis is down the list quite a ways.

mark
************

------------------
[b]KilGore[/b] is a noun, not a verb..

KC Jones · 12-05-2000, 11:50 AM

I'm sorry, I've waited all morning...I've tried to refrain but I just can't.....

**** YOU PACKFAN....GO STICK SOME CHEDDAR UP YOUR *** !!!!!!

dtforever · 12-05-2000, 02:17 PM

Mark,

Bozo the quarterback made a couple of boneheaded plays, one that I had never seen before: A QB keeper with 60 seconds, no timeouts, and the game winning TD 70 yards away. The other, I kind of expected. Grbac gets flustered under pressure.

The Chiefs defense did their part in getting the turnover and holding the Pats and forcing them to punt. Bozo did his part by running the QB keeper then passing to Gonzo for five when the team needed 11.

Nice work Elvis!

Warrior5 · 12-05-2000, 02:44 PM

Packfan, you have finally made me do something I have not done in the 2 years I have posted on this and the other board. You are a complete ***hole. No one, none of the disgusting trolls on the other board, nor anyone who disagrees with me, have ever prompted this response, and hopefully, no one ever will again. But every, and I do mean EVERY comment you make about the Chiefs, is based upon the Packers and there seemingly endless runs of Super Bowl victories. The Chiefs have one, there are still several in the NFL, who don't, but we are not living in the past, most Chief fans recognize the need for change, but for the life of me, why would it be Grbac. Don't forget, it takes at least a year, or more, to develop the QB/Receiver touch, to get to know them. Elvis and his group are achieving that, lets add to what we now have, and build, lets not tear apart the only offense we have and start over. I wish you could find a GB board, and praise them, and there oft injured QB, and leave ours alone.

12-05-2000, 09:37 AM	#46
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Packfan: I watched most of the game last night. Rag all you like on Grbac about what you feel to be last-minute errors, overall he played a fine game. It was the team, overall, that sucked. I saw both Gonzales and Alexander drop passes they should have caught that forced the chiefs offense off the field. I saw one or two line drive kc punts that helped set up good field position for New England. I saw kc defensive linemen jump offsides. I saw a defense that crumbled when faced with a no-huddle offense. Grbac was the least of their problems.
Posts: 88,960

12-05-2000, 09:39 AM	#47
kcmax Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: st. joseph, MO. USA Casino cash: $10004900	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR> No wonder San Fran didn't want him. (and no other team for that matter). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I seem to remember San Fran couldn't afford him, and he had several other suitors, such as Chicago, Denver and Seattle. Why not try using some factual info for a change, Ken. You just might earn some respect and take a step towards adulthood.
Posts: 637

12-05-2000, 09:54 AM	#48
Scorpdork Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Right,blame Grbac cause he had the last boo boo...the Morris fumble and Hicks off sides didn't have anything to do with the score ,did it ? The team lost this one more than Grbac,yes that play was a no brainer,but so was a lot of other plays last night! [This message has been edited by ROYC75 (edited 12-05-2000).]
Posts: 432

12-05-2000, 10:24 AM	#49
Luzap 9.89 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dallas, TX Casino cash: $10004900	[i]Until this guy produces a playoff win, you wont convince me that he has the mental ability or the heart to take this team any further. He is a loser. No wonder San Fran didnt want him. (and no other team for that matter).[/i] First off, even if EG got to the SB, you would still call him a loser. Of course if KC got that far, you would be nowhere to be found on the BB. You only show up after losses. Second, EG has had one chance at a playoff game. I hardly call that a loser since he's only had one chance. If he'd lost 3 or 4 in a row, then I might agree with you. Last, dont sit there and tell me that the way to develop a QB is to sit him on the bench. A QB learns by playing the game not holding a clipboard.
Posts: 3,327

12-05-2000, 10:27 AM	#50
dtforever ------ Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $7988975	There is a fine line between winning and losing. Not only to Grbac make one bone-headed play, he also made one to start the drive (QB keeper for seven yards and 25 seconds) Stupid! One could argue that the defense got the Chiefs back in the game with the fumble recovery and stopping the Pats before the ill-fated drive. Grbac had the game in his hands and failed. Right now, he is a 5-8 QB. That sucks. Elvis is a decent QB, but until he leads this team past the regular season, all he will be is decent. And in the NFL, decent isnt good enough.
Posts: 505

12-05-2000, 07:52 AM
dtforever ------ Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $7988975	1 minute left, no timeouts and the first play Grbac runs is a five yard QB keeper! The last play with six seconds is a five yard pass when the goal line is 11 yards away! Stupidity is the main reason why Elvis will never take any team to a Super Bowl. I have seen to many decisions like these from Elvis. If he hasnt learned by now, he will never learn. Elvis better pray that Carl is still around come February because no GM in their right mind would pay this loser a 10 million dollar roster bonus.
Posts: 505

12-05-2000, 10:29 AM	#51
dtforever ------ Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $7988975	Titus, Once again chirping without all the facts. Grbac has had at least two playoff games, one with San Fran (he helped the Packers beat the 49ers by throwing three ints) and the last time the Chiefs were in the playoffs. Get your **** straight, please! Look at the bigger picture: 8 years in the league and two playoff appearances. I wonder why?
Posts: 505

12-05-2000, 10:31 AM	#52
kcmax Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: st. joseph, MO. USA Casino cash: $10004900	Actually Packfool, he's a 5-7 QB(Moon is 0-1). Favre is 6-7. That's much better.
Posts: 637

12-05-2000, 10:34 AM	#53
Luzap 9.89 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dallas, TX Casino cash: $10004900	Packfan: Im not talking about EG with relation to SF. It has not one damn thing to do with the Chiefs. You said, 'this team'. I didnt think that referred to his prior history with other teams. Tell you what, you stop talking out of your a$$ and I wont make you look even more like an idiot.
Posts: 3,327

12-05-2000, 10:36 AM	#54
kcmax Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: st. joseph, MO. USA Casino cash: $10004900	Titus, I guess we can talk about Favre's falcon days, as well.
Posts: 637

12-05-2000, 10:52 AM	#55
Mosbonian On Hiatus Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2489700	What the hell? I leave for two hours and you're still here running your mouth Fudge Packer? You really need to go out and find yourself a shot of leg for the night to ajust this attitude of yours. Watch the tape again..........I mean REALLY watch it and if you can get that chip off your shoulder long enough, I think you will see that Elvis played a good game. ~Not holding my breath on this one~ [This message has been edited by Bwana (edited 12-05-2000).] [This message has been edited by Bwana (edited 12-05-2000).]
Posts: 11,271

12-05-2000, 11:21 AM	#56
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6838598	Granted, Elvis didn't come through and win it for us this time, but he did put us in a situation to have a legit chance to. He drove the field in how many seconds without any timeouts. I agree, this was a team loss. The ST's coverage and defense lacked again. I thought the defense might turn it around, but I really think the big momentum swing(s) was the field goal to end the first half and then going 3 and out to begin the second half. I thought that was [b]killer[/b]. To Hicks' credit, he has had a lot more positive plays than negative. ------------------ Brian K. [b]It doesn't make a difference what temperature a room is, it's always room temperature. [/b] [i]Steven Wright </I>
Posts: 95,642

12-05-2000, 11:47 AM	#57
Yosef_Malkovitch The Lurkiest Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Wichita, KS. Casino cash: $4515999	Packfan: "Elvis is a decent QB, but until he leads this team past the regular season, all he will be is decent. And in the NFL, decent isnt good enough." That's the problem in the NFL nowadays Ken. This league is filled with nothing but "decent" QB's, who overachieve one year, and then underachieve the next. Elvis has made good progress since the SD game last year, and has played, during that same stretch some of the best ball of [b]ANY[/b] QB in the league. Has he made bonehead plays? Damn straight...but name me one QB who hasn't. Could he be more intelligent about his throws into double coverage? Once again, sure could. But if you truly watch all the QB's in the league you will see a lot of forced throws, especially by the better QB's. I cannot say Elvis is blameless for the Chiefs situation, but I can look around and keep myself busy if I was to kick butts of the people who helped contribute to the demise of the Chiefs. In fact that would probably be a full-time job. If you really want to be angry with Grbac, fine, get it out. But, at least be reasonable enough to agree that the blame is long and distinguished in "usual suspects" and Elvis is down the list quite a ways. mark ************ ------------------ [b]KilGore[/b] is a noun, not a verb..
Posts: 2,747

12-05-2000, 11:50 AM	#58
KC Jones Genious Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $10012761	I'm sorry, I've waited all morning...I've tried to refrain but I just can't..... ** YOU PACKFAN....GO STICK SOME CHEDDAR UP YOUR * !!!!!!
Posts: 5,366

12-05-2000, 02:17 PM	#59
dtforever ------ Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $7988975	Mark, Bozo the quarterback made a couple of boneheaded plays, one that I had never seen before: A QB keeper with 60 seconds, no timeouts, and the game winning TD 70 yards away. The other, I kind of expected. Grbac gets flustered under pressure. The Chiefs defense did their part in getting the turnover and holding the Pats and forcing them to punt. Bozo did his part by running the QB keeper then passing to Gonzo for five when the team needed 11. Nice work Elvis!
Posts: 505

12-05-2000, 02:44 PM	#60
Warrior5 Stram was Cav Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $9124010	Packfan, you have finally made me do something I have not done in the 2 years I have posted on this and the other board. You are a complete ***hole. No one, none of the disgusting trolls on the other board, nor anyone who disagrees with me, have ever prompted this response, and hopefully, no one ever will again. But every, and I do mean EVERY comment you make about the Chiefs, is based upon the Packers and there seemingly endless runs of Super Bowl victories. The Chiefs have one, there are still several in the NFL, who don't, but we are not living in the past, most Chief fans recognize the need for change, but for the life of me, why would it be Grbac. Don't forget, it takes at least a year, or more, to develop the QB/Receiver touch, to get to know them. Elvis and his group are achieving that, lets add to what we now have, and build, lets not tear apart the only offense we have and start over. I wish you could find a GB board, and praise them, and there oft injured QB, and leave ours alone.
Posts: 5,232