NFL Draft I'll come out and say it: this was a good draft. - Page 2

Direckshun · 04-26-2009, 09:03 PM

This draft did not make the most sense out of what we COULD have done.

But think of what we accomplished:

We drafted the TWO BEST pure 3-4 DEs in the Draft this year. Jackson in particular seems to have a great ceiling, and Magee is the perfect lunchpail guy.
Anybody here who realistically thought we were set at CB with Flowers-Carr-Leggett(-Daniels?) is deluding themselves. We were going to need another piece there. Washington was not the BEST choice we could have made, but his pick is not senseless.
For a draft that was largely without sizzle, we did make it out of the draft with two potentially exciting skill-position players from the late rounds.
A kicker! BARTH VS. SUCCOP, an elite battle of eliteness.
Brown and O'Connell didn't make a lick of sense, no defenses there.
The positions, outside of QB, that take the longest to develop are DL, WR, and CB. It makes more sense to get those players first when you are building a team. This draft hit those positions first.

There are other reasons out there but we will hear them as the thread winds on.

Good first draft by Pioli.

Direckshun · 04-26-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'll come out and say it:

You should have your head examined. I'm convinced you've taken a serious fall, been in a car accident, something - you've not been your normal self the past couple of weeks.

Hey, you read my mocks. I never took two DEs straight in a row.

This draft was not what I wanted ideally.

But it makes a great degree of sense, for a series of clear reasons.

Mecca · 04-26-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

"Inconsistent...Bit of a classic 'tweener...Needs to be more physical and aggressive...Doesn't use his hands well...Has some trouble shedding blocks...Needs to use better leverage...Not a great technician...Motor runs hot and cold...Immature ?...Did not always face elite competition."

But to tell you the truth I think I was thinking of Sidbury, I have no idea why I get those names mixed up.

Magee's says alot of the same stuff the difference is Gilbert is alot more naturally gifted.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-26-2009, 09:22 PM

C+...I'm sorry.

I love the Chiefs, but I hated what we did our first day.

You can't criticize us in terms of value or talent -- we ended up with three of the most talented players from this weekend altogether. Dorsey was a brilliant pick, and probably the best possible option we could have had.

But Albert is completely unproven at tackle. Guard is an awful position to Draft nonetheless. Giving up two picks for him seemed like a disasterous decision. Flowers is incredibly talented but he's got so many character concerns my brain is exploding.

Here's hoping we continue drafting talented players. But here's hoping we avoid some of the sloppy decisioin making from an absolutely zany day one.

**Iowanian** · 04-26-2009, 09:22 PM

I'm not complaining about it.

Frankly, I don't know much about most of the picks, but I swore 5 years before Carl was ousted that if he were gone, I wouldn't question the new regime.

I'm trusting the new staff....I'll take their word for it at this point and will begin judging them once the preseason and games start. It will probably take a couple of years before I know how I feel about the draft.

I might have thought I wanted some different players, but I wasn't watching film, or with the scouts and and and.

In Pioli I trust (for now).

ChiefsCountry · 04-26-2009, 09:22 PM

Last year:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ghlight=albert

Direckshun · 04-26-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Direck is this your attention whore thread. Last year you went apeshit on that draft.

I hated the first day, but loved the second day.

Turns out the first day landed us two studs, with Dorsey still developing. The second day mostly went bankrupt. So it does show you what I know -- but I'm consistent, at least.

Direckshun · 04-26-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Pretty much...

I don't even think Magee is better than Gilbert my thought is we had the choice and took the wrong one.

I think they are both great prospects, but Magee's transition will be less difficult in both competition level and positionally.

Mecca · 04-26-2009, 09:26 PM

I'm not going to trust Direcks draft thoughts he likes this draft and hated last years especially Albert....that doesn't make any logical sense.

Direckshun · 04-26-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Direc likes to be different I think, he ripped on last years draft and now likes this one...

There's a bit of that in there, sure.

**DeezNutz** · 04-26-2009, 09:28 PM

This worries me.

Is he the Mush of draft evaluations?

I'm hopeful the sample size is too small.

Mecca · 04-26-2009, 09:29 PM

My opinion Donald Washington is the only pick that was good value.

Direckshun · 04-26-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What was it you gave our day one last year? A C-?

C+, so credit where credit is due.

Edit: by the way, how did Matt Ryan turn out?

xbarretx · 04-26-2009, 09:51 PM

i agree Direckshun. It wasnt flashy but at the same time we didnt only do what the media wanted. I think most are mad b/c the media isnt riding Pioli's jock giving the draft an "A" grade. Only reason to be dissapointed is b/c we could of filled other holes at certain picks but if you had faith in the new F.O. before all of this then you should still have it. again we ARENT DENVER OR OAKLAND!

we all went into the weekend knowing that Scott and Todd arent looking for the flavor of the moment. players who fit there scheme is all they have said. I think they stuck to there guns and im ok with it. for those unhappy folks, try going back to previous drafts where CP probably created his draft card from the latest Kiper mocks....

Another thing is people need to stop crying over Dorsey. he was top of his class for that position and has shown no reason that he wont get better. especially now that the GUN isnt calling the shots for cover 2...

oh and ... Shawnee Mission North High School Football RULES!

wild1 · 04-26-2009, 09:52 PM

After time passes, drafts are not evaluated on who was a "reach" and who was "great value" at that spot. Years down the road they're only evaluated on whether or not these guys can play.

We'll see how many of them can play.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-26-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

C+, so credit where credit is due.

Edit: by the way, how did Matt Ryan turn out?

I'll give you that, because I thought he was gonna bust for sure. How did Flacco turn out?

04-26-2009, 09:03 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4283447	I'll come out and say it: this was a good draft. This draft did not make the most sense out of what we COULD have done. But think of what we accomplished: We drafted the TWO BEST pure 3-4 DEs in the Draft this year. Jackson in particular seems to have a great ceiling, and Magee is the perfect lunchpail guy. Anybody here who realistically thought we were set at CB with Flowers-Carr-Leggett(-Daniels?) is deluding themselves. We were going to need another piece there. Washington was not the BEST choice we could have made, but his pick is not senseless. For a draft that was largely without sizzle, we did make it out of the draft with two potentially exciting skill-position players from the late rounds. A kicker! BARTH VS. SUCCOP, an elite battle of eliteness. Brown and O'Connell didn't make a lick of sense, no defenses there. The positions, outside of QB, that take the longest to develop are DL, WR, and CB. It makes more sense to get those players first when you are building a team. This draft hit those positions first. There are other reasons out there but we will hear them as the thread winds on. Good first draft by Pioli.
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04-26-2009, 09:22 PM	#18
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7989572	C+...I'm sorry. I love the Chiefs, but I hated what we did our first day. You can't criticize us in terms of value or talent -- we ended up with three of the most talented players from this weekend altogether. Dorsey was a brilliant pick, and probably the best possible option we could have had. But Albert is completely unproven at tackle. Guard is an awful position to Draft nonetheless. Giving up two picks for him seemed like a disasterous decision. Flowers is incredibly talented but he's got so many character concerns my brain is exploding. Here's hoping we continue drafting talented players. But here's hoping we avoid some of the sloppy decisioin making from an absolutely zany day one. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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04-26-2009, 09:22 PM	#19
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4708454	I'm not complaining about it. Frankly, I don't know much about most of the picks, but I swore 5 years before Carl was ousted that if he were gone, I wouldn't question the new regime. I'm trusting the new staff....I'll take their word for it at this point and will begin judging them once the preseason and games start. It will probably take a couple of years before I know how I feel about the draft. I might have thought I wanted some different players, but I wasn't watching film, or with the scouts and and and. In Pioli I trust (for now).
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2507050	I'm not going to trust Direcks draft thoughts he likes this draft and hated last years especially Albert....that doesn't make any logical sense.
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04-26-2009, 09:29 PM	#26
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2507050	My opinion Donald Washington is the only pick that was good value.
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04-26-2009, 09:51 PM	#28
xbarretx The Freeze! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Prosper, TX (DFW) Casino cash: $9795000	i agree Direckshun. It wasnt flashy but at the same time we didnt only do what the media wanted. I think most are mad b/c the media isnt riding Pioli's jock giving the draft an "A" grade. Only reason to be dissapointed is b/c we could of filled other holes at certain picks but if you had faith in the new F.O. before all of this then you should still have it. again we ARENT DENVER OR OAKLAND! we all went into the weekend knowing that Scott and Todd arent looking for the flavor of the moment. players who fit there scheme is all they have said. I think they stuck to there guns and im ok with it. for those unhappy folks, try going back to previous drafts where CP probably created his draft card from the latest Kiper mocks.... Another thing is people need to stop crying over Dorsey. he was top of his class for that position and has shown no reason that he wont get better. especially now that the GUN isnt calling the shots for cover 2... oh and ... Shawnee Mission North High School Football RULES! __________________ p.s. - VonneMarie is ALL woman!
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04-26-2009, 09:52 PM	#29
wild1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: 31040 Casino cash: $10004900	After time passes, drafts are not evaluated on who was a "reach" and who was "great value" at that spot. Years down the road they're only evaluated on whether or not these guys can play. We'll see how many of them can play.
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