Who would you keep on defense?

ChiefsCountry · 11-29-2004, 12:14 PM

Here is who I would keep on the defense.

DE - Jimmy Wilkerson, Gary Stills
DT - Ryan Sims
DT - Lional Dalton, Junior Siavii
DE - Jared Allen
LB - Scott Fujitia, Keyaron Fox
LB - Monty Beisel
LB - Shawn Barber, Quinton Caver
CB - Eric Warfield
CB - Benny Sapp
SS - Greg Wesley, Willie Pile
FS - Shaunard Harts, Julian Battle

I hate to cut John Browning but he is getting up in years and is salary is going up. Hicks, McCleon, Holliday, Mitchell, Bartee, and Woods need to be shown the door. Some guys could use a position change like Battle. He was All-SEC at safety which should say something. He might come around but he could be a hell of a safety IMO. Some guys like Caver and Beisel are nice backups and great special team players.

Free Agency/Draft
#1 CB
Stud MLB
Solid All-Around DE
CB Depth
Veteran Backup DE
More Depth on Defense

KC Jones · 11-29-2004, 12:16 PM

Pretty good list but since we just re-signed Woods I doubt it's very doable under the cap. Maybe after June 1st?

cmh6476 · 11-29-2004, 12:16 PM

Warfield and Jared Allen.

To hell with the rest of em.

cmh6476 · 11-29-2004, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cmh6476

Warfield and Jared Allen.

To hell with the rest of em.

maybe wesley too, but that's seriously about it. Some guys could be good, but haven't shown me any reason to believ they are this season, or last seaosn for that matter.

ChiefsCountry · 11-29-2004, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Jones

Pretty good list but since we just re-signed Woods I doubt it's very doable under the cap. Maybe after June 1st?

True but the same with Hicks too. They both need to go and June 1st sounds okay with me.

jspchief · 11-29-2004, 12:21 PM

That list reminded me of something...where the hell is Gary Stills? I know he's in on ST, but why haven't I seen him in on blitz situations?

ChiefsCountry · 11-29-2004, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

That list reminded me of something...where the hell is Gary Stills? I know he's in on ST, but why haven't I seen him in on blitz situations?

Good question, him and Allen could put a nice pass rush on.

BigChiefFan · 11-29-2004, 12:23 PM

The problem with SOME of our special team players is that is ALL they do well-special teams(after this season you can't even say they do it well). We need special teamers who can actually contribute when there is a injury to a starter. Caver, Hall, Jones, ect.. are all average at best when filling in for starters.

Gaz · 11-29-2004, 12:23 PM

Warfield, Wesley, Harts, Fujita, Mitchell [hoping he can be coached], Allen, Sims, Dalton.

As far as Sapp, Wilkerson, Fox [so forth] are concerned, I have not seen enough to know if we should keep them or not.

xoxo~
Gaz
Sees too many holes and not enough corks.

**Rain Man** · 11-29-2004, 12:25 PM

Assuming that we can realistically add one effective new starter per year, I can see our starters the next few years as follows:

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	2005	2006	2007
LDE	Wilkerson*	Wilkerson*	Wilkerson*
LDT	Sims*	Sims*	Sims*
RDT	Dalton	Siavii	Siavii
RDE	Allen	Allen	Allen
SLB	(New player)	(New player)	(New player)
MLB	Beisel	(New player)	(New player)
RLB	Fujita	Fujita	Fujita
LCB	Warfield	Warfield	Warfield
RCB	Bartee*	Bartee*	(New player)
SS	Wesley	Wesley	Wesley
FS	Harts*	Harts*	Harts*

	* Assuming he continues to improve, otherwise a stopgap free agent.

jspchief · 11-29-2004, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

The problem with SOME of our special team players is that is ALL they do well-special teams(after this season you can't even say they do it well). We need special teamers who can actually contribute when there is a injury to a starter. Caver, Hall, Jones, ect.. are all average at best when filling in for starters.

I think that's asking for a little much. We need to get starters that are good before we concern ourselves with back-ups. A back-up playing STs well is about all I expect from him.

ChiefsCountry · 11-29-2004, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

As far as Sapp, Wilkerson, Fox [so forth] are concerned, I have not seen enough to know if we should keep them or not.

xoxo~
Gaz
Sees too many holes and not enough corks.

I think that is why the NFL needs a better developmental league than NFL Europe. If the NFL had a minor league where the team could send some players to get reps in and if was more like the NFL then it could be a very big win win situation for the NFL.

ChiefsCountry · 11-29-2004, 12:29 PM

Also Caver was a second round pick of the Eagles, but I guess we know why they cut him now.

Chief Faithful · 11-29-2004, 01:21 PM

Try McCleon and Bartee at safety otherwise drop them.

Drop Woods, Barber, Holliday, Browning, Jones, and Hicks.

Last chance for Caver, Wesley, Wilkerson, Fujita, Battle, and Mitchell.

Keep Allen, Siavii, Jelly, Sims, Stills, Warfield, Harts, Beisel, and Maz.

Still too green to determine are Pile, Fox, Sapp, and Scalon.

Chiefnj · 11-29-2004, 01:31 PM

Keepers and their role:

Dalton (starting DT)
Sims (starting DT until replacement is found)
Browning (backup DT and DE)
Siavii( backup DT)
Allen (starting DE)
Hicks (backup DE or starter until newly acquired '05 DE starts)

Fujita (starter)
Beisel (backup)

Warfield (starter)
Bartee (4th CB)

Wesley (starter until someone develops)
Harts (backup)
Battle (backup at safety)

Stills (special teams)

That's it. If Fox can't get some snaps with the poor quality of LB play then he isn't what we expected. If Wilkerson isn't showing glimpses of playmaking ability then the hell with him.

11-29-2004, 12:14 PM
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $2208752	Who would you keep on defense? Here is who I would keep on the defense. DE - Jimmy Wilkerson, Gary Stills DT - Ryan Sims DT - Lional Dalton, Junior Siavii DE - Jared Allen LB - Scott Fujitia, Keyaron Fox LB - Monty Beisel LB - Shawn Barber, Quinton Caver CB - Eric Warfield CB - Benny Sapp SS - Greg Wesley, Willie Pile FS - Shaunard Harts, Julian Battle I hate to cut John Browning but he is getting up in years and is salary is going up. Hicks, McCleon, Holliday, Mitchell, Bartee, and Woods need to be shown the door. Some guys could use a position change like Battle. He was All-SEC at safety which should say something. He might come around but he could be a hell of a safety IMO. Some guys like Caver and Beisel are nice backups and great special team players. Free Agency/Draft #1 CB Stud MLB Solid All-Around DE CB Depth Veteran Backup DE More Depth on Defense
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11-29-2004, 12:16 PM	#2
KC Jones Genious Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $10012761	Pretty good list but since we just re-signed Woods I doubt it's very doable under the cap. Maybe after June 1st? __________________ re-sign: to sign again resign: to withdraw from employment
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11-29-2004, 12:21 PM	#6
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	That list reminded me of something...where the hell is Gary Stills? I know he's in on ST, but why haven't I seen him in on blitz situations? __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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11-29-2004, 12:23 PM	#8
BigChiefFan MVP Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: In the Top 10 Casino cash: $9924205	The problem with SOME of our special team players is that is ALL they do well-special teams(after this season you can't even say they do it well). We need special teamers who can actually contribute when there is a injury to a starter. Caver, Hall, Jones, ect.. are all average at best when filling in for starters. __________________ A 35 year drought can make you thirsty.
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11-29-2004, 12:23 PM	#9
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Short list, ennit? Warfield, Wesley, Harts, Fujita, Mitchell [hoping he can be coached], Allen, Sims, Dalton. As far as Sapp, Wilkerson, Fox [so forth] are concerned, I have not seen enough to know if we should keep them or not. xoxo~ Gaz Sees too many holes and not enough corks.
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11-29-2004, 12:29 PM	#13
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $2208752	Also Caver was a second round pick of the Eagles, but I guess we know why they cut him now.
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11-29-2004, 01:21 PM	#14
Chief Faithful Predicting Chiefs Victory Join Date: Sep 2001 Casino cash: $9966500	Try McCleon and Bartee at safety otherwise drop them. Drop Woods, Barber, Holliday, Browning, Jones, and Hicks. Last chance for Caver, Wesley, Wilkerson, Fujita, Battle, and Mitchell. Keep Allen, Siavii, Jelly, Sims, Stills, Warfield, Harts, Beisel, and Maz. Still too green to determine are Pile, Fox, Sapp, and Scalon.
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11-29-2004, 01:31 PM	#15
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	Keepers and their role: Dalton (starting DT) Sims (starting DT until replacement is found) Browning (backup DT and DE) Siavii( backup DT) Allen (starting DE) Hicks (backup DE or starter until newly acquired '05 DE starts) Fujita (starter) Beisel (backup) Warfield (starter) Bartee (4th CB) Wesley (starter until someone develops) Harts (backup) Battle (backup at safety) Stills (special teams) That's it. If Fox can't get some snaps with the poor quality of LB play then he isn't what we expected. If Wilkerson isn't showing glimpses of playmaking ability then the hell with him.
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