Chiefs Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure" - Page 59

**the Talking Can** · 06:49 AM

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

some numbers to chew on from arrowhead pride

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.

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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.

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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.

There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

**Bearcat** · 09-26-2013, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Geez does Every thread have to turn into a Alex Sucks / Kape is better / we gave too much for him / we should have drafted Geno / the Chiefs are doomed!!!!

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i'd like to apologize to our sensitive fans for posting an article about football on a football message board...

i clearly have mental issues, and will now go commit myself to inpatient therapy along with Aldon Smith...

it is harmful to discuss football with football fans, I will also attempt to contact the author of this article and explain to him that his life is miserable and that he should kill himself...

Halfcan · 09-26-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

what do you want, every thread to be about getting raped by your babysitter or something?

That thread would just turn into how the 49ers raped us on the trade / how Alex is raping this Offense because he sucks so bad and how the Chiefs are raping the fans by pretending to be winners before they rip our hearts out.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-26-2013, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

However you look at it, those QBs put up good passing numbers and those offenses had to put up points. Hell, if people aren't comfortable with "there's overwhelming evidence that you need elite QB play to win deep into the playoffs (unless you have a lot of shit to make up for it, like an elite defense)", think of it as needing a lot of points, regardless of where they come from. Then, all you have to do is look at scores and try to fool yourself (not you, specifically) into thinking you can win with a decent defense and mediocre QB.

So, about those 28+ points you'll need when going up against the Mannings and Rodgers of the world, are you more comfortable relying on your offense or defense to get them? Assuming you know the purpose of each and picked offense, are you going to rely more on a run/short pass game or stretching the field? And like you said, it's not like 'stretching the field' means every drive or whatever... but, it does mean taking chances.

You can call those offenses efficient or whatever... and they certainly aren't DV-style offense.... but, the QBs still put up elite numbers and you have to get the points somehow.

The Giants and Ravens are at their best when the defense gives them something to work with, and when they can run the ball... a LOT. Eli doesn't look the same this year now that their running game is a complete embarrassment.

I believe Flacco and Eli are elite QBs. I don't think Alex Smith is. I just find it a little ridiculous that people don't want to call Flacco and Eli elite because they aren't putting up 5,000 yard seasons. Or that the game is shifting to a fast passing attack game. These are guys who may not always throw over 4,000 yards, but I'd take them over most QBs in this league.

**Mav** · 09-26-2013, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

"They haven't had to" is a really poor rationale.

You always "have to", especially against a team like the Eagles. As we saw when they were gouging us on broken running plays.

Every quarter, every series, every down is important. You don't play with the attitude of "oh whatever, it's just the first half, we can get it done when we really need to."

It totally counted before halftime. If they "get it done" in the first two quarters it's probably a 30-6 game at the half, and we're actually able to play conservative football in the 2nd half, instead of biting our nails and trying to hang on for dear life because it's a 1 TD game in the 3rd quarter. And we definitely aren't sitting here trying to rationalize an offense that's clearly failing to execute as being some kind of intentional martyball passing game.

Nah, not like that. Good point by you, I probably worded that wrong. When I mean doesn't have to, its more like he isn't inclined to take an un Alex like conservative approach with the team leading which they were. That's what I mean by doesn't have to. I agree. The offense needs to be better, more consistent. I don't think anyone would say differently. I just don't believe you can lay this at the feet of one person.

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Keep it close, play defense, and don't turn it over. It's such a brilliant philosophy.

I hope the people pretending that everything is A-OK never say a bad thing about Marty Schottenheimer. He's the ****ing Grand Poobah of that religion.

90s Chiefs 2.0! Tickets on sale now!

Who said everything is A OK?

What I hear is one side saying.....Alex Smith is more aggressive, everything else will be okay.

What I hear the other side saying is: The problems with the offense are far bigger than one person, and there are multiple issues to deal with.

I don't see anyone saying, SHUT UP, THE OFFENSE IS GREAT, EAT A DICK ALEX HATER.....

**DeezNutz** · 09-26-2013, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

What I hear is one side saying.....Alex Smith is more aggressive, everything else will be okay.

What I hear the other side saying is: The problems with the offense are far bigger than one person, and there are multiple issues to deal with.

Inaccurate in both respects.

Side A: Great that we're 3-0, but this approach, offensively, won't sustain success.

Side B: 3-0 speaks for itself. Smith is doing a great job of protecting the football and facilitating the game.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-26-2013, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Inaccurate in both respects.

Side A: Great that we're 3-0, but this approach, offensively, won't sustain success.

Side B: 3-0 speaks for itself. Smith is doing a great job of protecting the football and facilitating the game.

What Manning, Big Ben, and Flacco do really well is take what the game gives them. That means when this defense breaks (and it will, especially when the playoff race heats up), then Smith better be ready to keep up with an aggressive offense.

That's where I think he falls a little short. This is also the type of offense where Smith can't just be good in the 4th quarter, he has to be exceptional. I think Smith is the type of QB who can manage his way to a playoff win or two, but unlike Flacco and Eli, he'll be dependent on the defense to make plays for him. And I'll need to see more 4th quarter performances like we saw against Philly.

If Smith can do those things, he may make games look uncomfortable, but he does make us competitive.

**the Talking Can** · 09-26-2013, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

That thread would just turn into how the 49ers raped us on the trade / how Alex is raping this Offense because he sucks so bad and how the Chiefs are raping the fans by pretending to be winners before they rip our hearts out.

and for the record, there is a link to a positive article about our defense in the thread header...but literally no one cared

Halfcan · 09-26-2013, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Yeah, I'm not buying this narrative of Alex Smith as astute QBing surgeon.

He processes SO MUCH information!!! It's ****ing unbelievable!!! He's like P. Manning, without the physical talent or testicles!

Alex "The Surgeon" Smith will be carving up the Giants this week!!

4-0!!

**Mav** · 09-26-2013, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Inaccurate in both respects.

Side A: Great that we're 3-0, but this approach, offensively, won't sustain success.

Side B: 3-0 speaks for itself. Smith is doing a great job of protecting the football and facilitating the game.

I still maintain that if the oline comes together, the tight ends get healthy, the play calling is cleaned up, lets be honest, until the 4th quarter it was absolutely hideous, and alex smith develops and demonstrates trust in his receivers, this offense will be a hell of a lot better.

To me, that is far more accurate than saying, well if Alex Smith just takes more chances down the field, everything is better instantly.

I don't believe that in the least.

Sandy Vagina · 09-26-2013, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Inaccurate in both respects.

Side A: Great that we're 3-0, but this approach, offensively, won't sustain success.

Side B: 3-0 speaks for itself. Smith is doing a great job of protecting the football and facilitating the game.

Actually, both A and B can be true simultaneously.

**Mav** · 09-26-2013, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

What Manning, Big Ben, and Flacco do really well is take what the game gives them. That means when this defense breaks (and it will, especially when the playoff race heats up), then Smith better be ready to keep up with an aggressive offense.

That's where I think he falls a little short. This is also the type of offense where Smith can't just be good in the 4th quarter, he has to be exceptional. I think Smith is the type of QB who can manage his way to a playoff win or two, but unlike Flacco and Eli, he'll be dependent on the defense to make plays for him. And I'll need to see more 4th quarter performances like we saw against Philly.

If Smith can do those things, he may make games look uncomfortable, but he does make us competitive.

Actually, isn't that exactly what Alex Smith did in his two playoff games that he has played in?

In the Saints game, in the second half when he had to he made plays, and lots of them. In the Giants game, in a mess for football, rainy windy and muddy, he played it closer to the vest, of course the defense he was playing had a lot to do with that, made just enough big plays while not turning it over to give his team a chance?

Is that not what you just described?

Halfcan · 09-26-2013, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

and for the record, there is a link to a positive article about our defense in the thread header...but literally no one cared

Yep I saw this whole thing posted on facebook. It is like Mary Poppinsville on there with all the love for the Chiefs. The "True fans" Love Alex-lol

Two sides to every coin they say.

**Mav** · 09-26-2013, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Alex "The Surgeon" Smith will be carving up the Giants this week!!

4-0!!

Not, going there.

The giants are the one team that really scare me as far as Alex Smith goes.

The last two times he has played them, have not been pretty. The Giants are a wounded angry bunch.

Nervous about this game.

**DeezNutz** · 09-26-2013, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I still maintain that if the oline comes together, the tight ends get healthy, the play calling is cleaned up, lets be honest, until the 4th quarter it was absolutely hideous, and alex smith develops and demonstrates trust in his receivers, this offense will be a hell of a lot better.

Yes, all of this is true. But this is exactly the problem: Chiefs fans, for the last 20 years, have been saying about fifty "ifs" for decent QB play to happen.

Here's the only "if" I care about:

If the Chiefs get a franchise QB, the team will be a consistent SB contender.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-26-2013, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I still maintain that if the oline comes together, the tight ends get healthy, the play calling is cleaned up, lets be honest, until the 4th quarter it was absolutely hideous, and alex smith develops and demonstrates trust in his receivers, this offense will be a hell of a lot better.

To me, that is far more accurate than saying, well if Alex Smith just takes more chances down the field, everything is better instantly.

I don't believe that in the least.

With this style of play, Alex Smith has to be able to shoot out when the defense forces his hand. And he has to be perfect in the 4th quarter. In the playoffs, even the best defensive teams have a game or two (or more) where the defense gives up some big time points.

I don't think he can do those things the way elite game managers can, but I'll give him a shot to prove what he's got. His 4th quarter performance against Philly was definitely terrific.