DON'T fire Ned Yost

[CaliforniaChief]

With that said, it's nice to know that this would probably be the most attractive job for managers on the market.

-Bud Black has Royals history, and has done good things with an atrocious roster.

-I'm fine with Giambi, but would probably wonder all year if he shouldn't just grab a bat and hit sometimes.

-I'd also be fine with Manuel (Charlie).

-I would imagine that if Girardi is cut lose, he'll take a straight line to Chicago to run the Cubs.

-Wally Backman would be entertaining!

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

With that said, it's nice to know that this would probably be the most attractive job for managers on the market.

-Bud Black has Royals history, and has done good things with an atrocious roster.

-I'm fine with Giambi, but would probably wonder all year if he shouldn't just grab a bat and hit sometimes.

-I'd also be fine with Manuel (Charlie).

-I would imagine that if Girardi is cut lose, he'll take a straight line to Chicago to run the Cubs.

-Wally Backman would be entertaining!

Well, if Girardi is on the market, that means the Yankees job is open. I imagine that will be the most attractive job out there.

But your point remains... KC job is much more attractive than it has been at any time since Howser left.

[dallaschiefsfan]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Well, if Girardi is on the market, that means the Yankees job is open. I imagine that will be the most attractive job out there.

But your point remains... KC job is much more attractive than it has been at any time since Howser left.

Yankees are firmly committed to getting under the luxury tax number. They won't retain both Granderson AND Cano. They can't be serious FA shoppers due to this commitment. Unless someone just wants to be in the limelights of New York, it's not an attractive "winning baseball" job for the next few years. Yankees are going to have a rough 2-3 years, I'm guessing. That makes me happy.

[siberian khatru]

Doesn't a lot of this hang on DM's contract? He's signed through 2014.

Will DM be allowed to sign a manager to a multi-year deal if he himself doesn't have one? Will a "name" manager sign here if he doesn't know DM's future past 2014? And I can't believe ANYONE would sign for just one year. Would even Ned sign a one-year contract, or would he decline and go on the open market?


So Glass has to extend DM first, right? And frankly, I don't want THAT. I think DM should first show how he handles this offseason and how things go to start off 2014. It would be a mistake to call 2013 "mission accomplished" and reward DM when he's got to prove 1) it's not a fluke, and 2) he knows how to take the team to the next level. You extend DM 3-5 years now and then watch the team regress to 79 wins in 2014 and then Shields walks, well what exactly have you achieved? Five more losing seasons and looking back at 2013 and saying "Wow, remember how fun that was, kinda sorta almost making a one-game wild-card playoff?"

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Doesn't a lot of this hang on DM's contract? He's signed through 2014.

Will DM be allowed to sign a manager to a multi-year deal if he himself doesn't have one? Will a "name" manager sign here if he doesn't know DM's future past 2014? And I can't believe ANYONE would sign for just one year. Would even Ned sign a one-year contract, or would he decline and go on the open market?


So Glass has to extend DM first, right? And frankly, I don't want THAT. I think DM should first show how he handles this offseason and how things go to start off 2014. It would be a mistake to call 2013 "mission accomplished" and reward DM when he's got to prove 1) it's not a fluke, and 2) he knows how to take the team to the next level. You extend DM 3-5 years now and then watch the team regress to 79 wins in 2014 and then Shields walks, well what exactly have you achieved? Five more losing seasons and looking back at 2013 and saying "Wow, remember how fun that was, kinda sorta almost making a one-game wild-card playoff?"

GOod points all.

We're likely looking at Ned next year, or POSSIBLY Pedro Grifol.

I vote for Pedro.

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

GOod points all.

We're likely looking at Ned next year, or POSSIBLY Pedro Grifol.

I vote for Pedro.

My worst fear is Glass says "We're on the right track" and extends Moore, who extends Ned, and then tells Moore he can add one player this offseason. Moore says no problem, I fully expect all the good of 2013 to continue and all the bad to improve, and Nelson Cruz will put us over the top.

And then its 79-83 and we're stuck with these ****sticks for another 3 years.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

My worst fear is Glass says "We're on the right track" and extends Moore, who extends Ned, and then tells Moore he can add one player this offseason. Moore says no problem, I fully expect all the good of 2013 to continue and all the bad to improve, and Nelson Cruz will put us over the top.

And then its 79-83 and we're stuck with these ****sticks for another 3 years.

That would suck.

1) If all they add is Nelson Cruz, the offense is better (unless he sucks without roids). And the defense is hurt substantially.

If they're going to sacrifice RF defense for offense, I'd much rather see them go Carlos Beltran over Cruz. Defensive hit is about the same (if Beltran remains as below-average as he has been this year), but Beltran is a much more consistent and proven offensive player.

2) I assume that would mean they stick with internal pitching options. So basically, Shields, Guthrie and the kids. Scary way to go into a season.

[dallaschiefsfan]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Doesn't a lot of this hang on DM's contract? He's signed through 2014.

Will DM be allowed to sign a manager to a multi-year deal if he himself doesn't have one? Will a "name" manager sign here if he doesn't know DM's future past 2014? And I can't believe ANYONE would sign for just one year. Would even Ned sign a one-year contract, or would he decline and go on the open market?


So Glass has to extend DM first, right? And frankly, I don't want THAT. I think DM should first show how he handles this offseason and how things go to start off 2014. It would be a mistake to call 2013 "mission accomplished" and reward DM when he's got to prove 1) it's not a fluke, and 2) he knows how to take the team to the next level. You extend DM 3-5 years now and then watch the team regress to 79 wins in 2014 and then Shields walks, well what exactly have you achieved? Five more losing seasons and looking back at 2013 and saying "Wow, remember how fun that was, kinda sorta almost making a one-game wild-card playoff?"

DM will get extended 2 years minimum within the next few weeks or after the WS. Bank it.

[BlackHelicopters]

More Ned? Ice pick please.

[siberian khatru]

And yes, that is me being an irascible pessimist.

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

Ned made a great decision in the bottom of the 10th inning today. If Ned hadn't had Getz pinch run for Billy, the inning would have been over before Justin Maxwell ever came to the plate.

Everybody hates Ned and wants him to be fired. I don't. He sometimes makes game-time decisions that are easy to second-guess, but you've got to give him credit: the Royals have just about the best clubhouse atmosphere and team camraderie of any team I've ever seen. Ned deserves a hell of a lot of credit for that.

Not only do I think Ned won't be fired, I'm convinced he shouldn't be fired.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Jerm

You're late to the party. I've already apologized for starting this thread.

I was unduly influenced by the temporary euphoria of Justin Maxwell's walkoff grand slam on Sunday. I've since come to my senses. Ned Yost is a buffoon.

[dallaschiefsfan]

Whether DM is a good, average or terrible as a GM is irrelevant to the OP. Yost was fired while his team was in FIRST PLACE. That happens to ZERO managers unless they are blatantly incompetent. This has all happened before and it will happen again...

Does anyone doubt this team would be better off and entrenched with a playoff spot with Francona as the manager?

[Mr. Laz]

Yost is a fine coach for a team struggling to get out of the dumpster. He's a robot ... losing doesn't make him flinch. He teaches the team to not get depressed or give up.

high floor/low ceiling kind of guy imo


Do we want to avoid losing or push to win?

As much as we have sucked i would understand just trying to avoid losing right now.

not happy, but i understand

That said, Yost cost a dozen games this year ... easy. That was enough to make the playoffs this season

How many games did is 'good,stable clubhouse win us?'

i don't know.

[CaliforniaChief]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

That said Yost cost a dozen games this year ... easy. That's enough to make the playoffs.

A dozen games? There have been a few that I can think of, but I can't think of close to 12.