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Old 01-16-2013, 11:30 PM   #1
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i ****ing hate the poe pick

we institute a 3-4, then wait 4 years - while passing on raji and Cody [in the 2nd!!] - to draft a combine freak who did jack shit in college...at #11

embarrassing

JPP was a pick with potential...this was just a dumb pick
Raji and Cody both suck. Shit...they might be worse than Poe or in the same tier as Poe.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:35 PM   #2
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Raji and Cody both suck. Shit...they might be worse than Poe or in the same tier as Poe.
we'd be better off with either versus who we drafted in their place...

and both actually did something in college to merit being drafted
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:38 AM   #3
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i ****ing hate the poe pick

we institute a 3-4, then wait 4 years - while passing on raji and Cody [in the 2nd!!] - to draft a combine freak who did jack shit in college...at #11

embarrassing

JPP was a pick with potential...this was just a dumb pick
Get out of here with that shit. Cody was garbage this year. http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...,6000786.story

Poe was a good pick. He played 60+% of the snaps at the most demanding position in the game. Despite a steep learning curve, he was not a liability on the field, which is an accomplishment for a rookie (couldn't say the same for Tyson Jackson's rookie season). He didn't make plays, but he didn't blow them either.

I can understand not liking the pick. But trying to act like Poe was a disappointment is just plain ridiculous. He has a very, very long way to go, but he's miles better than what we thought he'd be this early on.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:27 PM   #4
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Well, Cody hasn't exactly lit the world on fire.

Poe has elite potential. Just needs to learn the craft.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:33 PM   #5
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Well, Cody hasn't exactly lit the world on fire.

Poe has elite potential. Just needs to learn the craft.
based on what? measurements?

not based on anything he has ever done on a football field

cody's not great, but ravens had the 2nd ranked rush defense with him as starter in 2011...and he came in the second round
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:35 PM   #6
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based on what? measurements?

not based on anything he has ever done on a football field

cody's not great, but ravens had the 2nd ranked rush defense with him as starter in 2011...and he came in the second round
Yeah, and with Suggs and Lewis out this year, their rush defense was assfart.

Yeah, Poe is all about measurables at this point. He had some flashes last year, and I think the 1 gap system will help him, and for that matter, any other dlinman we bring in.

The 2 gap, IMO, is a stupid ass out of date system thats hard as shit to learn and correctly run.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:35 PM   #7
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based on what? measurements?

not based on anything he has ever done on a football field

cody's not great, but ravens had the 2nd ranked rush defense with him as starter in 2011...and he came in the second round
That had 0% to do with Cody being a starter.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:38 PM   #8
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That had 0% to do with Cody being a starter.
that has 0% to do with reality
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:45 PM   #9
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Are you really suggesting that Cody was the reason the 2011 Ravens defense was good? What about the previous 3 seasons when they also ranked 3rd in points allowed?

The Ravens defense was a machine. As long as Ngata, Lewis, Suggs, and Reed were healthy, it didn't matter what other players played with them. Hell, it didn't even matter what coach coached them. Something like 5 defensive coordinators came and went and they were still a top 5 defense year in and year out.

You or I could have been a starter on the Ravens defense in 2011 instead of Cody and it would have still been top 5.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:35 PM   #10
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Well, Cody hasn't exactly lit the world on fire.

Poe has elite potential. Just needs to learn the craft.
Stop it.

Elite is kicking the shit out of people at every level.

It's Jack Lambert diving into gravel in a touch football game.

It's Will Shields driving guys into the ground play after play.

It's Jared Allen getting drafted as a long snapper after destroying dudes every single game at defensive end.

You have it or you don't.

That's why I have faith in guys like Rod Hudson, Eric Berry, Justin Houston, etc.

They've kicked ass regardless and, given the chance, will happily relish knocking some pricks dick in the dirt.

However, if you haven't ever done it, it's a lot steeper uphill climb.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:38 PM   #11
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Stop it.

Elite is kicking the shit out of people at every level.

It's Jack Lambert diving into gravel in a touch football game.

It's Will Shields driving guys into the ground play after play.

It's Jared Allen getting drafted as a long snapper after destroying dudes every single game at defensive end.

You have it or you don't.

That's why I have faith in guys like Rod Hudson, Eric Berry, Justin Houston, etc.

They've kicked ass regardless and, given the chance, will happily relish knocking some pricks dick in the dirt.

However, if you haven't ever done it, it's a lot steeper uphill climb.
And IMO, thats being elite. Never said Poe was elite.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:39 PM   #12
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Stop it.

Elite is kicking the shit out of people at every level.

It's Jack Lambert diving into gravel in a touch football game.

It's Will Shields driving guys into the ground play after play.

It's Jared Allen getting drafted as a long snapper after destroying dudes every single game at defensive end.

You have it or you don't.

That's why I have faith in guys like Rod Hudson, Eric Berry, Justin Houston, etc.

They've kicked ass regardless and, given the chance, will happily relish knocking some pricks dick in the dirt.

However, if you haven't ever done it, it's a lot steeper uphill climb.
Some guys did need development to bring out that elite potential.
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I guess the elite potential didn't really come accross as I meant it. Physically, he was everything you want.

Whether he can ever translate it, who knows.
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I wouldn't say he was a disappointment. He was a bit better than I expected him to be (total dogshit), but he wasn't good in any way.

The issue here is people saying he has great potential to be a game changer. That's a silly statement. Extremely silly. Stop that, it's silly.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:43 AM   #15
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I wouldn't say he was a disappointment. He was a bit better than I expected him to be (total dogshit), but he wasn't good in any way.

The issue here is people saying he has great potential to be a game changer. That's a silly statement. Extremely silly. Stop that, it's silly.
He absolutely has the potential to be. Has he shown it? No. Does he have that potential? Absolutely, and a lot moreso than Cody and Raji did. And I was a guy who wanted Raji at #3.
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