Football Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one

**RealSNR** · 02-19-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Fans don't show up for draft picks. They show up for wins.

And what makes you think the Chiefs will win games by letting Albert go and drafting Joeckel?

Or taking another DL that doesn't penetrate gaps very well?

Or drafting a passrusher when we already have two Pro Bowlers?

We could always draft Milliner, but then we're ****ing around with reaching on draft value, which is the thing you've been talking about trying to avoid.

**jAZ** · 02-19-2013, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

And what makes you think the Chiefs will win games by letting Albert go and drafting Joeckel?

Or taking another DL that doesn't penetrate gaps very well?

Or drafting a passrusher when we already have two Pro Bowlers?

We could always draft Milliner, but then we're ****ing around with reaching on draft value, which is the thing you've been talking about trying to avoid.

I think the Chiefs will win because Andy Reid has a long history of doing it.

And in particular, he has a long history of finding lesser known QB's that he plugs into his system to significant success. So much so, that he sells them off to the highest bidder. I love that. That plays in our favor.

It also tips the scales toward taking BPA, not QB with our #1. And if that doesn't work out this year, the odds are that in a few years, it will work out.

If AR wants Alex Smith over Geno Smith, then I'd be pretty excited to have Alex Smith playing in this system under this coach.

Now if AR wants Geno Smith over all other options, then I'll be just as excited to have him playing in this system under this coach.

Putting much stock into what fans want is just silly.

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

And in particular, he has a long history of finding lesser known QB's that he plugs into his system to significant success.

Andy Reid picked Donovan McNabb #2 overall.

Andy Reid, without Donovan McNabb, has won exactly ZERO playoff games.

You have completely manufactured a narrative of PURE FANTASY.

**jAZ** · 02-19-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Andy Reid picked Donovan McNabb #2 overall.

Andy Reid, without Donovan McNabb, has won exactly ZERO playoff games.

You have completely manufactured a narrative of PURE FANTASY.

Like I said if he decides to pick Geno Smith #1 overall, that's great. Fan views on the matter mean nothing.

**The Franchise** · 02-19-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Like I said if he decides to pick Geno Smith #1 overall, that's great. Fan views on the matter mean nothing.

Yeah.....just completely blow by the fact that you were ****ing wrong.

**jAZ** · 02-19-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Yeah.....just completely blow by the fact that you were ****ing wrong.

Please... AJ Feeley and Kevin Kolb both performed for AR and were traded for high picks (2nd round at least) because the Eagles had the luxury of a better option at QB already.

**the Talking Can** · 02-19-2013, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Please... AJ Feeley and Kevin Kolb both performed for AR and were traded for high picks (2nd round at least) because the Eagles had the luxury of a better option at QB already.

both of those QBs suck shit

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Like I said if he decides to pick Geno Smith #1 overall, that's great. Fan views on the matter mean nothing.

So you're just going to ignore the totally erroneous statement you made and instead focus on one small part of your argument?

**jAZ** · 02-19-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

So you're just going to ignore the totally erroneous statement you made and instead focus on one small part of your argument?

No.

**RealSNR** · 02-19-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

I think the Chiefs will win because Andy Reid has a long history of doing it.

I know. I agree. Andy Reid is a good coach.

You still haven't addressed my point of what the best and most valuable pick we can make at #1 is. Good coaches have to draft well, after all. And they need franchise QBs.

**jAZ** · 02-19-2013, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I know. I agree. Andy Reid is a good coach.

You still haven't addressed my point of what the best and most valuable pick we can make at #1 is. Good coaches have to draft well, after all. And they need franchise QBs.

We (fans) don't have the tools to give the best answer to that. It's hard enough job when you have all of the tools. It's PURE FANTASY to pretend that fans with other jobs can do a better job in the long run, than any pro doing their job using all the tools they have.

I'm not avoiding your question, my answer is that we shouldn't try to (seriously) answer that question. Have fun with the talk, but don't flip out when others disagree... specifically when those others are highly paid professionals.

**RealSNR** · 02-19-2013, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

We (fans) don't have the tools to give the best answer to that. It's hard enough job when you have all of the tools. It's PURE FANTASY to pretend that fans with other jobs can do a better job in the long run, than any pro doing their job using all the tools they have.

I'm not avoiding your question, my answer is that we shouldn't try to (seriously) answer that question. Have fun with the talk, but don't flip out when others disagree... specifically when those others are highly paid professionals.

Fans with other jobs have the balls to do what's right for the franchise sometimes.

Isn't that what this draft game is all about? Doing what's best for the team, not what will save your job the longest?

mr. tegu · 02-19-2013, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

We (fans) don't have the tools to give the best answer to that. It's hard enough job when you have all of the tools. It's PURE FANTASY to pretend that fans with other jobs can do a better job in the long run, than any pro doing their job using all the tools they have.

I'm not avoiding your question, my answer is that we shouldn't try to (seriously) answer that question. Have fun with the talk, but don't flip out when others disagree... specifically when those others are highly paid professionals.

Pioli was a highly paid professional.

**the Talking Can** · 02-19-2013, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

I think the Chiefs will win because Andy Reid has a long history of doing it.

And in particular, he has a long history of finding lesser known QB's that he plugs into his system to significant success. So much so, that he sells them off to the highest bidder. I love that. That plays in our favor.

please elaborate on this success he's had with QBs not named McNabb....

ModSocks · 02-19-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

I think the Chiefs will win because Andy Reid has a long history of doing it.

And in particular, he has a long history of finding lesser known QB's that he plugs into his system to significant success. So much so, that he sells them off to the highest bidder. I love that. That plays in our favor.

It also tips the scales toward taking BPA, not QB with our #1. And if that doesn't work out this year, the odds are that in a few years, it will work out.

If AR wants Alex Smith over Geno Smith, then I'd be pretty excited to have Alex Smith playing in this system under this coach.

Now if AR wants Geno Smith over all other options, then I'll be just as excited to have him playing in this system under this coach.

Putting much stock into what fans want is just silly.

Its funny when people talk about "More options" because what they mean to say is "Alex Smith" since there really isn't any other options.

Matt Flynn is the other name always thrown around. Terrible.

This fanbase has battered QB syndrome.

No matter how many shit QB's they've had, they keep coming back for more. It's like a woman with an abusive boyfriend just asking to get punched in the face again.