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tyton75 · 04-27-2005, 11:01 AM

Chiefs | Hakim Could be an Option - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:34:30 -0700

ESPN.com's John Clayton reports free agent WR Az-Zahir Hakim (Lions) may be an option for the Kansas City Chiefs.

guess this just goes back to, would you rather have Az or Morton..

I'd rather have Az I think

Mastashake · 04-27-2005, 11:53 AM

Take him. He fits all the physical characteristics DV likes, plus he has NFL and DV experience, which despite popular belief goes a LONG way.

Even if he gets knocked down to 3rd wide to someone like parker, his presence wil still be a positive. Guys like him make the field a lot deeper, and force open plays underneath.

My biggest concern is seeing him play without turf. What would be be?

Mastashake

jcroft · 04-27-2005, 12:01 PM

I'm all for signing Az if he is cheap, but I'm not for him being made a starter right away. I'd like to see Parker get his oppostunity to win that spot. And, I think Parker WOULD win that spot and Az would be the #3 guy.

It's my feeling that beyond Kennison, all of our WRs are question marks:

Parker -- looked good, but he's played what, three games?
Boe -- Two years removed from good play and coming off major injury.
Hall -- Okay, he's not a question mark, but he's not a starting WR, either.
Cro - Rookie, need I say more?
Morton -- Likley cut.

At least having Az would give us a bit of vetran experience at the position. Yes, he's not the greatest receiver, but he'll add to the depth and give us a vetran who can step into the starting lineup if someone is injured. Don't get me wrong -- I'd much rather replace Morton with a stud number one receiver. But, I do think we NEED to replace Morton with another vet, and if Hakim is what's available, then Hakim will do.

I say bring him in if he comes at the vet minimum or close to it.

htismaqe · 04-27-2005, 12:05 PM

What the hell do we need Az Hakim for? We have 3 or 4 guys on our roster that have better hands, and we have the best return man in the game.

No thanks.

**The Bad Guy** · 04-27-2005, 12:05 PM

If it's between Morton or AZ, it's no comparison for me.

Bring in the guy who has the speed to stretch the field.

I think Az would do well here.

jcroft · 04-27-2005, 12:08 PM

Okay, forget Az for a minute. Let me ask a more simple question. If we cut Morton, do you think we need to replace him with another veteran, or are you comfortable with Kennsion, two guys who are basically rookies (Parker and Cro), a guy who did nothing two years ago and then missed all of last year with an injury (Boe) and Dante (who obviously won't be starting at receiver)?

So, the question is: If we cut Morton, should we replace him with another vet, or go with the other guys we have?

philfree · 04-27-2005, 12:13 PM

I'd love to see Bruce a Chiefs and I don't really have a problem with Az except who do we cut for him? I could see cutting just about any player for Bruce but not for Hakim. If no Bruce but we can keep 6 WRs then Az would be fine but if we only keep 5 WRs then besides Morton we're gonna have to cut Boe, Parker or Thorpe. I don't want to lose any of those guys for Az Hakim.

PhilFree

philfree · 04-27-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jcroft

Okay, forget Az for a minute. Let me ask a more simple question. If we cut Morton, do you think we need to replace him with another veteran, or are you comfortable with Kennsion, two guys who are basically rookies (Parker and Cro), a guy who did nothing two years ago and then missed all of last year with an injury (Boe) and Dante (who obviously won't be starting at receiver)?

So, the question is: If we cut Morton, should we replace him with another vet, or go with the other guys we have?

So much depends on Boe's health. If he's back to health then we need no Vets unless we're willing to carry 6 WRs.

PhilFree

tyton75 · 04-27-2005, 12:20 PM

I really REALLY hope Boe is ok and ready to play... but I'm not willing to bet the season on it.. I say bring in Az to play opposite Kennison.. and if he gets beat out... all the better!

I see our WR depth as very shallow and lacking in talent.. I hope Parker and the rest can prove me wrong, but i'm not sold

jspchief · 04-27-2005, 12:24 PM

That snippet from KFFL seems very vague. I read as John Clayton just speculating more than anything else.

Personally, I don't see any reason to bring him in. He's got terrible hands and he's not a very good route runner. If he was a decent WR at all, the Lions would have kept him and addressed a more pressing need in the draft.

"He's not Morton" is not a good enough excuse for me. Let's see what we have with our young guys.

jcroft · 04-27-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

So much depends on Boe's health. If he's back to health then we need no Vets unless we're willing to carry 6 WRs.

PhilFree

Even when Boe was healthy two years ago he made virtually zero contribution. What makes you think this year will be different?

Wile_E_Coyote · 04-27-2005, 12:27 PM

I swear last season on a third down. I saw Morton look for the down marker, came up short caught the ball, then left the field smirking. It was probably my imagination, but I can't shake it. I can't stand wormboy

jcroft · 04-27-2005, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Let's see what we have with our young guys.

Another year, I'd probably agree. But this is supposed to be the last year of our "window." I think we need to have a couple of veteran WRs on the roster. I'd still love to see our young guys beat them out, but I'm not willing to count on it. Bringing in someone to replace Morton can only increase the competition in camp and make Parker and Cro better.

wutamess · 04-27-2005, 12:34 PM

Hell NO to Azz!
He was hurt 60% of the time while with Detroit.
Plus he didn't produce.

I'd rather develop in house talent than take a chance on him even if he is to pan out.

Brock · 04-27-2005, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcroft

Another year, I'd probably agree. But this is supposed to be the last year of our "window."

I've heard that statement bandied around a lot , but I don't see any justification for it.

Mr. Laz · 04-27-2005, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

I swear last season on a third down. I saw Morton look for the down marker, came up short caught the ball, then left the field smirking. It was probably my imagination, but I can't shake it. I can't stand wormboy

and did you see Gonzo "alligator arm" a touchdown pass against minnesota because he was about to get hit?

minnesota safety made an interception because of it too

04-27-2005, 11:01 AM
tyton75 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: KC North Casino cash: $5908386	Interested in Az-Hakim Chiefs \| Hakim Could be an Option - from www.KFFL.com Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:34:30 -0700 ESPN.com's John Clayton reports free agent WR Az-Zahir Hakim (Lions) may be an option for the Kansas City Chiefs. guess this just goes back to, would you rather have Az or Morton.. I'd rather have Az I think
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04-27-2005, 11:53 AM	#16
Mastashake Insomniac Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	Take him. He fits all the physical characteristics DV likes, plus he has NFL and DV experience, which despite popular belief goes a LONG way. Even if he gets knocked down to 3rd wide to someone like parker, his presence wil still be a positive. Guys like him make the field a lot deeper, and force open plays underneath. My biggest concern is seeing him play without turf. What would be be? Mastashake __________________ "Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control."
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04-27-2005, 12:01 PM	#17
jcroft Thread-Stopper Extrodinaire Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Casino cash: $10004900	I'm all for signing Az if he is cheap, but I'm not for him being made a starter right away. I'd like to see Parker get his oppostunity to win that spot. And, I think Parker WOULD win that spot and Az would be the #3 guy. It's my feeling that beyond Kennison, all of our WRs are question marks: Parker -- looked good, but he's played what, three games? Boe -- Two years removed from good play and coming off major injury. Hall -- Okay, he's not a question mark, but he's not a starting WR, either. Cro - Rookie, need I say more? Morton -- Likley cut. At least having Az would give us a bit of vetran experience at the position. Yes, he's not the greatest receiver, but he'll add to the depth and give us a vetran who can step into the starting lineup if someone is injured. Don't get me wrong -- I'd much rather replace Morton with a stud number one receiver. But, I do think we NEED to replace Morton with another vet, and if Hakim is what's available, then Hakim will do. I say bring him in if he comes at the vet minimum or close to it. __________________ Jeff Croft jeffcroft.com Last edited by jcroft; 04-27-2005 at 12:09 PM..
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04-27-2005, 12:05 PM	#18
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	What the hell do we need Az Hakim for? We have 3 or 4 guys on our roster that have better hands, and we have the best return man in the game. No thanks.
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04-27-2005, 12:05 PM	#19
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9373645	If it's between Morton or AZ, it's no comparison for me. Bring in the guy who has the speed to stretch the field. I think Az would do well here. __________________
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04-27-2005, 12:08 PM	#20
jcroft Thread-Stopper Extrodinaire Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Casino cash: $10004900	Okay, forget Az for a minute. Let me ask a more simple question. If we cut Morton, do you think we need to replace him with another veteran, or are you comfortable with Kennsion, two guys who are basically rookies (Parker and Cro), a guy who did nothing two years ago and then missed all of last year with an injury (Boe) and Dante (who obviously won't be starting at receiver)? So, the question is: If we cut Morton, should we replace him with another vet, or go with the other guys we have? __________________ Jeff Croft jeffcroft.com
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04-27-2005, 12:13 PM	#21
philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $1576198	I'd love to see Bruce a Chiefs and I don't really have a problem with Az except who do we cut for him? I could see cutting just about any player for Bruce but not for Hakim. If no Bruce but we can keep 6 WRs then Az would be fine but if we only keep 5 WRs then besides Morton we're gonna have to cut Boe, Parker or Thorpe. I don't want to lose any of those guys for Az Hakim. PhilFree __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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04-27-2005, 12:20 PM	#23
tyton75 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: KC North Casino cash: $5908386	I really REALLY hope Boe is ok and ready to play... but I'm not willing to bet the season on it.. I say bring in Az to play opposite Kennison.. and if he gets beat out... all the better! I see our WR depth as very shallow and lacking in talent.. I hope Parker and the rest can prove me wrong, but i'm not sold
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04-27-2005, 12:24 PM	#24
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	That snippet from KFFL seems very vague. I read as John Clayton just speculating more than anything else. Personally, I don't see any reason to bring him in. He's got terrible hands and he's not a very good route runner. If he was a decent WR at all, the Lions would have kept him and addressed a more pressing need in the draft. "He's not Morton" is not a good enough excuse for me. Let's see what we have with our young guys. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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04-27-2005, 12:27 PM	#26
Wile_E_Coyote avatar down for remodel Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	I swear last season on a third down. I saw Morton look for the down marker, came up short caught the ball, then left the field smirking. It was probably my imagination, but I can't shake it. I can't stand wormboy
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04-27-2005, 12:34 PM	#28
wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $5341637	Hell NO to Azz! He was hurt 60% of the time while with Detroit. Plus he didn't produce. I'd rather develop in house talent than take a chance on him even if he is to pan out.
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