Chiefs So what exactly has Pioli done? - Page 3

B_Ambuehl · 01-13-2009, 03:21 PM

On his own, that didn't involve Bill Belichik having influence and final authority?

Just remember a lot of fans from Notre Dame, NY, and Cleveland were going ape shit wild over Weiss, Mangina, and Crennel and without Belichik all 3 were basically flops. Josh McDaniels and Pioli could very easily be added to that list as well.

I'll remain skeptical until he proves himself.

rashid242 · 01-13-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

What has Belicheck done without Pioli?

Won 2 Super Bowls as a Defensive Coordinator.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-13-2009, 03:36 PM

Scott Pioli is NOT Carl Peterson. Thread over.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-13-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

LOL. My Svitek sig was a joke from day 1 because it was obvious he could never block anyone. But I'm being serious here. Everybody just assumes Pioli is a great candidate but the reality is he's done nothing. Being Belichiks right hand man doesn't say much because Belichik does what Belichik wants to do.

What did Belichick win without him?

**dirk digler** · 01-13-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

I wasn't being serious.

Damn you

**The Bad Guy** · 01-13-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rashid242

Won 2 Super Bowls as a Defensive Coordinator.

Great defensive coordinator.

BB is the best head coach of all time. But behind every great coach is someone getting the players for him to be a great coach.

**the Talking Can** · 01-13-2009, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

On his own, that didn't involve Bill Belichik having influence and final authority?

Just remember a lot of fans from Notre Dame, NY, and Cleveland were going ape shit wild over Weiss, Mangina, and Crennel and without Belichik all 3 were basically flops. Josh McDaniels and Pioli could very easily be added to that list as well.

I'll remain skeptical until he proves himself.

no cares, loser

FloridaMan88 · 01-13-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rashid242

Won 2 Super Bowls as a Defensive Coordinator.

Give me Parcells as a head coach and LT and I'll go win 2 Super Bowls as a defensive coordinator as well

Chief_in_Commander · 01-13-2009, 03:54 PM

Well the guy under him, never can remember his name, is the one who is running the show in Atlanta now and I say he did a decent job so if that was an understudy to Pioli I like our chances

Fritz88 · 01-13-2009, 04:03 PM

http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/401

1. Pioli was with Bill Belichick for nine seasons and the duo was the longest-tenured coach-personnel man duo going in the NFL. During those nine seasons, the Patriots won three Super Bowls, four AFC titles and six division championships. How much of it was Belichick and how much was Pioli? Chiefs fans are happily about to find out the answer.

2. Pioli was a two-time winner as the NFL Young Executive of the Year Award, in 2003 and 2004. Well, blow me to smithereens, I didn't know such an award existed. But it's an impressive feat anyway. The other execs to win the award twice in a row were Bill Polian and Bobby Beathard and Pioli was younger than both them when he won. That's some seriously good company to run in.

3. Some really impressive personnel facts from the Patriots' mini-dynasty:

* In 2005, the Patriots set a post-merger league record for a division champion by utilizing 45 different starters
* In 2003, the Patriots won Super Bowl XXXVIII despite using 42 different starters, the most in league history by a Super Bowl champion
* Last season, the Patriots tied the all-time NFL record with 21 different players scoring touchdowns
* Of the 53 players on the Patriots' Super Bowl XLII roster, 43 were acquired after the team's first championship in 2001 and 31 were acquired since the team's third title in 2004

4. In 2007, six Patriots players drafted by Belichick and Pioli were selected to the Pro Bowl and were named to the Associated Press All-Pro first or second teams: Tom Brady (sixth round), Dan Koppen (fifth round), Matt Light (second round), Logan Mankins (first round), Asante Samuel (fourth round) and Vince Wilfork (first round).

5. This is a quote from a Super Bowl Bowl press conference that, to me, would have made me want to kiss Pioli on the mouth if I were hiring him to run my football team. It's about the most valuable lesson he's learned as a personnel man: "Not to get caught up in the numbers. The things like height, weight and speed. The test numbers. It's not getting too caught up in numbers. I've made mistakes by getting caught up with the workouts. Tom Brady took some heat recently when they showed a video of his running a 40-yard dash. Tommy's speed and running has nothing to do with his pocket presence. Here is a guy, he has vision. He has the feel. He has the sense. He knows when to step up, so his athleticism is due to his awareness. Ted Bruschi, his instincts are incredible. They're rare. He plays a lot faster than what his numbers on paper would indicate. Ty Warren's strength-I remember when Ty was coming out, his overall wasn't great but he has this brute strength. Wes Welker is another guy. He has enough quickness to get away from folks."

In other words, he targets guys that look good playing football, not just standing there in a uniform. It seems obvious, but the production over potential issue is one that tugs at every talent evaluator in every sport. I cast my lot with the production crowd. It took awhile, but I think Clark Hunt has made a great move for the future of football in Kansas City.

beach tribe · 01-13-2009, 04:05 PM

**** that. Today is the best possible situation that could have transpired.

**007** · 01-13-2009, 04:05 PM

Here it goes. Already trying to bring him down. heh

Deberg_1990 · 01-13-2009, 04:06 PM

Pioli also worked with Parcells in the late 90's with the Jets.

They had that mini-resurgence in 98 with Testaverde.

I believe Pioli was with them in 2000 when they drafted Abraham and Pennington as well.

beavis · 01-13-2009, 04:09 PM

I bet if someone handed you $100, you'd be pissed that it wasn't $200.

beach tribe · 01-13-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88

http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/401

1. Pioli was with Bill Belichick for nine seasons and the duo was the longest-tenured coach-personnel man duo going in the NFL. During those nine seasons, the Patriots won three Super Bowls, four AFC titles and six division championships. How much of it was Belichick and how much was Pioli? Chiefs fans are happily about to find out the answer.

2. Pioli was a two-time winner as the NFL Young Executive of the Year Award, in 2003 and 2004. Well, blow me to smithereens, I didn't know such an award existed. But it's an impressive feat anyway. The other execs to win the award twice in a row were Bill Polian and Bobby Beathard and Pioli was younger than both them when he won. That's some seriously good company to run in.

3. Some really impressive personnel facts from the Patriots' mini-dynasty:

* In 2005, the Patriots set a post-merger league record for a division champion by utilizing 45 different starters
* In 2003, the Patriots won Super Bowl XXXVIII despite using 42 different starters, the most in league history by a Super Bowl champion
* Last season, the Patriots tied the all-time NFL record with 21 different players scoring touchdowns
* Of the 53 players on the Patriots' Super Bowl XLII roster, 43 were acquired after the team's first championship in 2001 and 31 were acquired since the team's third title in 2004

4. In 2007, six Patriots players drafted by Belichick and Pioli were selected to the Pro Bowl and were named to the Associated Press All-Pro first or second teams: Tom Brady (sixth round), Dan Koppen (fifth round), Matt Light (second round), Logan Mankins (first round), Asante Samuel (fourth round) and Vince Wilfork (first round).

5. This is a quote from a Super Bowl Bowl press conference that, to me, would have made me want to kiss Pioli on the mouth if I were hiring him to run my football team. It's about the most valuable lesson he's learned as a personnel man: "Not to get caught up in the numbers. The things like height, weight and speed. The test numbers. It's not getting too caught up in numbers. I've made mistakes by getting caught up with the workouts. Tom Brady took some heat recently when they showed a video of his running a 40-yard dash. Tommy's speed and running has nothing to do with his pocket presence. Here is a guy, he has vision. He has the feel. He has the sense. He knows when to step up, so his athleticism is due to his awareness. Ted Bruschi, his instincts are incredible. They're rare. He plays a lot faster than what his numbers on paper would indicate. Ty Warren's strength-I remember when Ty was coming out, his overall wasn't great but he has this brute strength. Wes Welker is another guy. He has enough quickness to get away from folks."

In other words, he targets guys that look good playing football, not just standing there in a uniform. It seems obvious, but the production over potential issue is one that tugs at every talent evaluator in every sport. I cast my lot with the production crowd. It took awhile, but I think Clark Hunt has made a great move for the future of football in Kansas City.

That's some impressive shit. I still can't believe it. Things like this just did not happen for the Chiefs in the past. I am in shock.

How the hell can you compare Romeo Crennel or any other coach to a GM. Especially one the caliber of Pioli.

Simply Red · 01-13-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

On his own, that didn't involve Bill Belichik having influence and final authority?

Just remember a lot of fans from Notre Dame, NY, and Cleveland were going ape shit wild over Weiss, Mangina, and Crennel and without Belichik all 3 were basically flops. Josh McDaniels and Pioli could very easily be added to that list as well.

I'll remain skeptical until he proves himself.

01-13-2009, 03:21 PM
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	So what exactly has Pioli done? On his own, that didn't involve Bill Belichik having influence and final authority? Just remember a lot of fans from Notre Dame, NY, and Cleveland were going ape shit wild over Weiss, Mangina, and Crennel and without Belichik all 3 were basically flops. Josh McDaniels and Pioli could very easily be added to that list as well. I'll remain skeptical until he proves himself.
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01-13-2009, 03:54 PM	#38
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Fritz88 Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $8865943	http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/401 1. Pioli was with Bill Belichick for nine seasons and the duo was the longest-tenured coach-personnel man duo going in the NFL. During those nine seasons, the Patriots won three Super Bowls, four AFC titles and six division championships. How much of it was Belichick and how much was Pioli? Chiefs fans are happily about to find out the answer. 2. Pioli was a two-time winner as the NFL Young Executive of the Year Award, in 2003 and 2004. Well, blow me to smithereens, I didn't know such an award existed. But it's an impressive feat anyway. The other execs to win the award twice in a row were Bill Polian and Bobby Beathard and Pioli was younger than both them when he won. That's some seriously good company to run in. 3. Some really impressive personnel facts from the Patriots' mini-dynasty: * In 2005, the Patriots set a post-merger league record for a division champion by utilizing 45 different starters * In 2003, the Patriots won Super Bowl XXXVIII despite using 42 different starters, the most in league history by a Super Bowl champion * Last season, the Patriots tied the all-time NFL record with 21 different players scoring touchdowns * Of the 53 players on the Patriots' Super Bowl XLII roster, 43 were acquired after the team's first championship in 2001 and 31 were acquired since the team's third title in 2004 4. In 2007, six Patriots players drafted by Belichick and Pioli were selected to the Pro Bowl and were named to the Associated Press All-Pro first or second teams: Tom Brady (sixth round), Dan Koppen (fifth round), Matt Light (second round), Logan Mankins (first round), Asante Samuel (fourth round) and Vince Wilfork (first round). 5. This is a quote from a Super Bowl Bowl press conference that, to me, would have made me want to kiss Pioli on the mouth if I were hiring him to run my football team. It's about the most valuable lesson he's learned as a personnel man: "Not to get caught up in the numbers. The things like height, weight and speed. The test numbers. It's not getting too caught up in numbers. I've made mistakes by getting caught up with the workouts. Tom Brady took some heat recently when they showed a video of his running a 40-yard dash. Tommy's speed and running has nothing to do with his pocket presence. Here is a guy, he has vision. He has the feel. He has the sense. He knows when to step up, so his athleticism is due to his awareness. Ted Bruschi, his instincts are incredible. They're rare. He plays a lot faster than what his numbers on paper would indicate. Ty Warren's strength-I remember when Ty was coming out, his overall wasn't great but he has this brute strength. Wes Welker is another guy. He has enough quickness to get away from folks." In other words, he targets guys that look good playing football, not just standing there in a uniform. It seems obvious, but the production over potential issue is one that tugs at every talent evaluator in every sport. I cast my lot with the production crowd. It took awhile, but I think Clark Hunt has made a great move for the future of football in Kansas City.
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