Chiefs CoMoChief has the solution to the QB problem in Kansas City - Page 12

O.city · 01-02-2013, 02:20 PM

Meaning that just because he was considered for the Heisman, doesn't really mean anything in terms of NFL success.

BigCatDaddy · 01-02-2013, 02:33 PM

Heh.

Better list then I thought. Although none of them are MLB's.

1980 Rogers, GeorgeGeorge Rogers* South Carolina Running back 1,128 35.81%
1981 Allen, MarcusMarcus Allen^ USC Running back 1,797 57.05%
1982 Walker, HerschelHerschel Walker Georgia Running back 1,926 61.14%
1983 Rozier, MikeMike Rozier Nebraska Running back 1,801 57.17%
1984 Flutie, DougDoug Flutie Boston College Quarterback 2,240 71.11%
1985 Jackson, BoBo Jackson* Auburn Running back 1,509 47.90%
1986 Testaverde, VinnyVinny Testaverde* Miami Quarterback 2,213 70.25%
1987 Brown, TimTim Brown Notre Dame Wide receiver 1,442 45.78%
1988 Sanders, BarryBarry Sanders^ Oklahoma State Running back 1,878 68.27%
1989 Ware, AndreAndre Ware Houston Quarterback 1,073 38.96%
1990 Detmer, TyTy Detmer BYU Quarterback 1,482 53.87%
1991 Howard, DesmondDesmond Howard Michigan Wide receiver 2,077 75.50%
1992 Torretta, GinoGino Torretta Miami Quarterback 1,400 50.84%
1993 Ward, CharlieCharlie Ward Florida State Quarterback 1,743 83.79%
1994 Salaam, RashaanRashaan Salaam Colorado Running back 1,743 63.15%
1995 George, EddieEddie George Ohio State Running back 1,460 52.84%
1996 Wuerffel, DannyDanny Wuerffel Florida Quarterback 1,363 49.38%
1997 Woodson, CharlesCharles Woodson Michigan Cornerback/Punt returner 1,815 65.69%
1998 Williams, RickyRicky Williams Texas Running back 2,355 85.23%
1999 Dayne, RonRon Dayne Wisconsin Running back 2,042 73.83%
2000 Weinke, ChrisChris Weinke Florida State Quarterback 1,628 58.86%
2001 Crouch, EricEric Crouch Nebraska Quarterback 770 27.75%
2002 Palmer, CarsonCarson Palmer* USC Quarterback 1,328 48.01%
2003 White, JasonJason White Oklahoma Quarterback 1,481 53.54%
2004 Leinart, MattMatt Leinart USC Quarterback 1,325 47.85%
2005 Bush, ReggieReggie Bush
(vacated)[n 1] USC Running back 2,541 91.77%
2006 Smith, TroyTroy Smith Ohio State Quarterback 2,540 91.63%
2007 Tebow, TimTim Tebow Florida Quarterback 1,957 70.52%
2008 Bradford, SamSam Bradford* Oklahoma Quarterback 1,726 62.13%
2009 Ingram, Jr., MarkMark Ingram, Jr. Alabama Running back 1,304 46.99%
2010 Newton, CamCam Newton* Auburn Quarterback 2,263 81.55%
2011 Griffin III, RobertRobert Griffin III Baylor Quarterback 1,687 60.66%
2012 Manziel, JohnnyJohnny Manziel Texas A&M Quarterback 2,029 72.88%

**MahiMike** · 01-02-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Heh.

Better list then I thought. Although none of them are MLB's.

1980 Rogers, GeorgeGeorge Rogers* South Carolina Running back 1,128 35.81%
1981 Allen, MarcusMarcus Allen^ USC Running back 1,797 57.05%
1982 Walker, HerschelHerschel Walker Georgia Running back 1,926 61.14%
1983 Rozier, MikeMike Rozier Nebraska Running back 1,801 57.17%
1984 Flutie, DougDoug Flutie Boston College Quarterback 2,240 71.11%
1985 Jackson, BoBo Jackson* Auburn Running back 1,509 47.90%
1986 Testaverde, VinnyVinny Testaverde* Miami Quarterback 2,213 70.25%
1987 Brown, TimTim Brown Notre Dame Wide receiver 1,442 45.78%
1988 Sanders, BarryBarry Sanders^ Oklahoma State Running back 1,878 68.27%
1989 Ware, AndreAndre Ware Houston Quarterback 1,073 38.96%
1990 Detmer, TyTy Detmer BYU Quarterback 1,482 53.87%
1991 Howard, DesmondDesmond Howard Michigan Wide receiver 2,077 75.50%
1992 Torretta, GinoGino Torretta Miami Quarterback 1,400 50.84%
1993 Ward, CharlieCharlie Ward Florida State Quarterback 1,743 83.79%
1994 Salaam, RashaanRashaan Salaam Colorado Running back 1,743 63.15%
1995 George, EddieEddie George Ohio State Running back 1,460 52.84%
1996 Wuerffel, DannyDanny Wuerffel Florida Quarterback 1,363 49.38%
1997 Woodson, CharlesCharles Woodson Michigan Cornerback/Punt returner 1,815 65.69%
1998 Williams, RickyRicky Williams Texas Running back 2,355 85.23%
1999 Dayne, RonRon Dayne Wisconsin Running back 2,042 73.83%
2000 Weinke, ChrisChris Weinke Florida State Quarterback 1,628 58.86%
2001 Crouch, EricEric Crouch Nebraska Quarterback 770 27.75%
2002 Palmer, CarsonCarson Palmer* USC Quarterback 1,328 48.01%
2003 White, JasonJason White Oklahoma Quarterback 1,481 53.54%
2004 Leinart, MattMatt Leinart USC Quarterback 1,325 47.85%
2005 Bush, ReggieReggie Bush
(vacated)[n 1] USC Running back 2,541 91.77%
2006 Smith, TroyTroy Smith Ohio State Quarterback 2,540 91.63%
2007 Tebow, TimTim Tebow Florida Quarterback 1,957 70.52%
2008 Bradford, SamSam Bradford* Oklahoma Quarterback 1,726 62.13%
2009 Ingram, Jr., MarkMark Ingram, Jr. Alabama Running back 1,304 46.99%
2010 Newton, CamCam Newton* Auburn Quarterback 2,263 81.55%
2011 Griffin III, RobertRobert Griffin III Baylor Quarterback 1,687 60.66%
2012 Manziel, JohnnyJohnny Manziel Texas A&M Quarterback 2,029 72.88%

Looks like about an 80% success rate in the NFL

**bevischief** · 01-02-2013, 03:47 PM

kcbubb · 01-02-2013, 06:04 PM

You don't take an ILB in the 3-4 #1 overall. This draft has much better players available.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-02-2013, 06:08 PM

Who do you want bubb?

kcbubb · 01-02-2013, 06:47 PM

Trade down. I would like to trade down and take Aaron Murray.

3 year starter that has played well against elite competition in a pro style offense that throws the ball down the field. Best mobility of top QBs. Great arm. Most pro ready QB in the draft. Not as tall as you like, but is a playmaker.

CoMoChief · 01-02-2013, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Trade down. I would like to trade down and take Aaron Murray.

3 year starter that has played well against elite competition in a pro style offense that throws the ball down the field. Best mobility of top QBs. Great arm. Most pro ready QB in the draft. Not as tall as you like, but is a playmaker.

NO NO NO!!!! MUST TAKE GENO AT #1 !!!! /CP

kcbubb · 01-02-2013, 07:07 PM

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NO NO NO!!!! MUST TAKE GENO AT #1 !!!! /CP

I agree. The Planet is overreacting to this franchise futility in the draft over the last 20+ years. We have the #1 pick and it sucks for us that there isn't a QB available worth the pick. That doesn't mean that we should reach with the pick. And waste any possible picks that we could attain with a trade.

O.city · 01-02-2013, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I agree. The Planet is overreacting to this franchise futility in the draft over the last 20+ years. We have the #1 pick and it sucks for us that there isn't a QB available worth the pick. That doesn't mean that we should reach with the pick. And waste any possible picks that we could attain with a trade.

So is Andrew Luck the only QB "worth" a 1st overall pick?

Cause if we are holding all Qb's up to that standard, we have to hold other positional players up to greatest of all time draft picks.

Is Jarvis Jones, Lawrence Taylor type player? Is Star a Warren Sapp type player?

kcbubb · 01-02-2013, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

So is Andrew Luck the only QB "worth" a 1st overall pick?

Cause if we are holding all Qb's up to that standard, we have to hold other positional players up to greatest of all time draft picks.

Is Jarvis Jones, Lawrence Taylor type player? Is Star a Warren Sapp type player?

Jarvis Jones is a legit pass rusher. He is a Von Miller type of player if he passes his medical.

kcbubb · 01-02-2013, 06:48 PM

If we could trade down, similar to the trade up for Julio Jones, that would be ideal to me.

O.city · 01-02-2013, 07:00 PM

You think someone is gonna trade up Julio Jones style, for someone who doesn't project to be an elite dline pass rusher, or a guy with a serious medical issue?

kcbubb · 01-02-2013, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

You think someone is gonna trade up Julio Jones style, for someone who doesn't project to be an elite dline pass rusher, or a guy with a serious medical issue?

I have posted about 10 trades that have occurred in the last two years in the first round. Wait and see how everything shakes out after the combine.

Are you predicting that there won't be any trade in the top ten?

O.city · 01-02-2013, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I have posted about 10 trades that have occurred in the last two years in the first round. Wait and see how everything shakes out after the combine.

Are you predicting that there won't be any trade in the top ten?

Top 10? Probably so.

Number 1 overall? Nope. The Chiefs would likely ask for an RGIII type haul, or they can just sit where they are and take the player they want.

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