Report: Tom Brady destroyed his phone. Appeal has been denied.

[The Franchise]

Nope.....he did nothing wrong.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/...eld/ar-AAdBouH

The NFL is going to reject Tom Brady’s appeal and uphold the four-game suspension he is facing for his alleged role in Deflategate, according to one report.

Stephen A. Smith said on ESPN’s “First Take” Tuesday morning that a source told him Roger Goodell will not reduce or overturn Brady’s suspension. Perhaps more shocking, Smith cited a separate source who told him Brady actually destroyed his own personal cell phone rather than just refusing to turn it over.

We have known all along that the bigger issue here is Brady’s lack of cooperation during the Ted Wells investigation. The NFL was furious that Brady wouldn’t give up “relevant” text messages and emails that might help clarify his level of involvement — or lack thereof — in Patriots equipment managers allegedly letting air out of game balls.

Smith clarified that he was told by one source that the NFL is going stand by its four-game suspension within the next 24-48 hours, whereas the information about Brady destroying his cell phone was just “something I heard.” It was almost as if he was downplaying the information knowing how much of a bombshell the rumor was.

Reports in recent weeks have been all over the place regarding Brady’s appeal. There has been some indication that the two sides are working toward a settlement, though reports like this one make that seem unlikely.

If the NFL upholds the suspension, no one would be stunned. If someone can prove that Brady destroyed his cell phone, that would be tough for the New England Patriots quarterback to explain.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

But they already had it from the other end. It's not like they couldn't read Brady's texts from their phones.

The NFL is just looking for definitive proof, something they don't and have never had. The Smoking Gun.

Not there. Case closed.

Actually, they wanted something from Tom to prove his innocence. Anything. They wanted this to come out clean so that he could play.


Name one reason the NFL would want to actively risk themselves and suspend their most popular player.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's a bridge too far.

I disagree.

The Wells Report disregarded pertinent statements by Walt Coleman. Several other physicists, not affiliated with the NFL, the Patriots, etc. have said that the balls could have easily become deflated by .02 PSI under the 12.5 requirement due to heat, atmospheric conditions, etc.

Whether or not someone was actively trying to deflate the balls to the lower end of the scale cannot and has not been determined. The Wells Report itself, even while ignoring the interview with Coleman, said that it's "More likely than not", which hardly conclusive evidence.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by notorious

Actually, they wanted something from Tom to prove his innocence. Anything. They wanted this to come out clean so that he could play.


Name one reason the NFL would want to actively risk themselves and suspend their most popular player.

One reason? It's pretty simple: To show that Roger Goodell is the Emperor and that everyone should bow before him.

I think that much is clear.

[KCCHIEFS27]

Stephen A. is the biggest joke when it comes to "reporting". Also, his tweet about who used the N word in a worse context between Riley Cooper and Hulk Hogan is a joke. Is this like who wore it best at the Oscars? For goodness sakes, you have no room to talk Stephen A. You said that women who were victims of domestic abuse should probably stop putting themselves into those situations.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

This is not true.

The only way that deflation not occurring is even POSSIBLE is if you believe that the refs stuck to an extremely specific timeline of events (which was created specifically to exonerate the Pats) when testing/refilling the balls. Even then, the temperature coefficients don't work out quite right, given that the last Patriot ball and the first Colt ball would have been tested pretty close to each other.

The likelihood of the exact specific chain of events necessary occurring is not the same as the likelihood of any one of a number of things being different.

Yeah, except for the fact that Walt Coleman, the man who was supposed to check the PSI in the footballs, can't remember which gauge he used, can't remember when he checked them and can't remember anything pertinent to the situation.

There was no chain of command and absolute procedures weren't put in place.

With that in mind, there's no possible way to come to any hard conclusion, which is why "More likely than not" was the conclusion of the Wells Report, which is hardly concrete evidence.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

One reason? It's pretty simple: To show that Roger Goodell is the Emperor and that everyone should bow before him.

I think that much is clear.

Really?

Remember, Goodell does the bidding of the owners.........

[Wildcat2005]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, except for the fact that Walt Coleman, the man who was supposed to check the PSI in the footballs, can't remember which gauge he used, can't remember when he checked them and can't remember anything pertinent to the situation.

There was no chain of command and absolute procedures weren't put in place.

With that in mind, there's no possible way to come to any hard conclusion, which is why "More likely than not" was the conclusion of the Wells Report, which is hardly concrete evidence.

You keep saying that but are unfamiliar with the threshold that was required

"More probable than not" was the only threshold that was required, thus the only one that was used

That phrase from a legal standpoint in no what suggests uncertainty or that it is some sort of hunch
They could of found a photo of Brady deflating balls himself and in the legal documents it still would of stated "more probable than not"

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by notorious

Really?

Remember, Goodell does the bidding of the owners.........

He was Kraft's hand picked guy too.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I disagree.

The Wells Report disregarded pertinent statements by Walt Coleman. Several other physicists, not affiliated with the NFL, the Patriots, etc. have said that the balls could have easily become deflated by .02 PSI under the 12.5 requirement due to heat, atmospheric conditions, etc.

Whether or not someone was actively trying to deflate the balls to the lower end of the scale cannot and has not been determined. The Wells Report itself, even while ignoring the interview with Coleman, said that it's "More likely than not", which hardly conclusive evidence.

'not conclusive evidence' is different from what you said and what I took umbrage with.

You said there's just as good a chance that they cheated as there is that they didn't. Nah, like I said, that's a reach. Based on the publicly available evidence, there's a better chance that someone cheated than there is that nobody cheated.

Is it conclusive? Well I guess that just depends on your standard for liability. Would I convict criminally on it? No, no I would not. So if by 'conclusive' you're looking for the ol' beyond a reasonable doubt standard, I'd say you're probably right.

But I don't suspect that's the standard here (again, not knowing enough about the CBA to be sure). My guess is that a mere preponderance is enough and by that standard, I think there was sufficient evidence to punish the Patriots. It may just be 60/40 in favor of cheating, but I think the evidence would definitely support that and if that's the standard required, than I don't think the NFL railroaded anyone.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

So he refers to himself as the Deflator for what reason?

And he lied about going straight to the field with the balls and lied about using the urinal in the bathroom.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Cops talk about 'failing the attitude test' on occasion. If you're an asshole to the officer, they'll look for something to hang on you.

The Patriots and Tom Brady unquestionably failed the attitude test here. Kraft came out and told the league to lick his taint, Brady obstructed every chance he got. When that's the approach you take, you can bet that the shield is going to dig in twice as hard to hang one on you.

The Patriots and their leadership are just so friggen haughty and holier than thou that they figured they'd just shake their dicks at the NFL and Goodell would take it. Oops...kinda overplayed your hands there fellas.

This is a good post.

[tk13]

I find it hard to believe he destroyed his phone. Sounds like it's from the Chris Broussard school of reporting.

Still funny how insanely far people will stretch reality to defend Brady, since the NFL wants to bury the most successful QB of his generation and ruin his legacy. Makes complete sense.

[GloryDayz]

**** New England. Cheating pieces of crap!

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by tk13

I find it hard to believe he destroyed his phone. Sounds like it's from the Chris Broussard school of reporting.

Still funny how insanely far people will stretch reality to defend Brady, since the NFL wants to bury the most successful QB of his generation and ruin his legacy. Makes complete sense.

again, this is case and point

end of argument

the NFL had nothing, at all, to ever gain by tarnishing *arguably* the best QB of all-time's legacy

nothing

[Pasta Little Brioni]

If anything they protected him by only giving four games. Not near enough.