Let's say the Chiefs land 2 2nds. How would you grade these moves back into the 1st?

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by jd1020

There's no other way to interpret it.

Franchise QB for S? F.
Franchise QB for WR? F.
Franchise QB for OLB? F.
Franchise QB for DE? F.
Franchise QB for TE? F.

etc...

I suppose it would depend on how good that franchise QB ends up being.

I think you'd definitely grade a "LT for franchise QB" as an A.

But substitute "franchise QB" with Alex Smith, and "LT" with Branden Albert, and I'm sure you would grade it differently.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I suppose it would depend on how good that franchise QB ends up being.

I think you'd definitely grade a "LT for franchise QB" as an A.

But substitute "franchise QB" with Alex Smith, and "LT" with Branden Albert, and I'm sure you would grade it differently.

Not really. Because Alex Smith isn't a franchise QB.

I'm going to paraphrase what has been asked of Alex Smith the last 2 years in SF...

"Alex... Please don't **** this up!"

Your "Franchise QB" ladies and gentlemen.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Not really. Because Alex Smith isn't a franchise QB.

I suppose that depends on what you define a franchise QB as being.

The franchise has clearly made him their QB for the current and intermediate and perhaps longterm future. Seems to fit that definition.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I suppose that depends on what you define a franchise QB as being.

The franchise has clearly made him their QB for the current and intermediate and perhaps longterm future. Seems to fit that definition.

I define a franchise QB as someone who is going to be THE keystone to your franchise's success for the foreseeable future... A guy that's capable of putting the team on his back and willing his way to victories.

That's not Alex Smith. He's a "franchise QB" in the sense that he's mediocre but good enough for your team to remain "respectable" at 8-8 but you have yet to hit on a Colin Kaepernick.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I define a franchise QB as someone who is going to be THE keystone to your franchise's success for the foreseeable future... A guy that's capable of putting the team on his back and willing his way to victories.

That's not Alex Smith. He's a "franchise QB" in the sense that he's mediocre but good enough for your team to remain "respectable" at 8-8 but you have yet to hit on a Colin Kaepernick.

It's probably not Geno Smith, either, honestly.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

It's probably not Geno Smith, either, honestly.

Maybe, maybe not.

That's not the point.

Playing it safe, like the Chiefs have, gets you 19 years of playoff win free football.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Maybe, maybe not.

Ah, so a franchise QB only needs potential in order to quality to be a franchise QB in your eyes.

This is what I'm having trouble figuring out.

You go from "he needs to be the franchise's guy" to "he needs to be the franchise's guy for the foreseeable future and also will his team to victories" to "he needs to be the franchise's guy for the foreseeable future and also have the potential will his team to victories."

We could go on and on here, but you're carving a description of franchise QBs so thin in order to somehow discern one Smith from the other, you're starting to pretzel.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Not really. Because Alex Smith isn't a franchise QB.

I'm going to paraphrase what has been asked of Alex Smith the last 2 years in SF...

"Alex... Please don't **** this up!"

Your "Franchise QB" ladies and gentlemen.

Not trying to be smart here because I'm just curious. Honest question. How long you going to be bitter over this?

I was mad too at first so don't take this as me celebrating the move. Certainly that wasn't the case. But I've gotten over it by now. What else can I do? Don't feel like quitting on the team.

Two years ago I think we'd all say Joe Flacco was around the 12th or so best QB in the league. Some might say lower. Look at him now. That's clearly not the case. What's the point? The point is that QBs roles and positions are constantly in flux and being evaluated. The top 5 QBs in the game today won't be the same list 3 years from now.

I'm not predicting Alex Smith will ever be in that league. But certainly he's middle of the pack. 15th or so. mediocre. Agreed. Lets see if he progresses from his last two years or if he slides.

While I want the Chiefs to win a SB, right now I just want to see if they can get in the playoffs and win a game first. I don't have much if any memories of the Chiefs the last time that happened.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by suds79

Not trying to be smart here because I'm just curious. Honest question. How long you going to be bitter over this?

Tough question...

I guess I'll be bitter until the last 30 years of Chiefs logic proves the world wrong.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by suds79

Not trying to be smart here because I'm just curious. Honest question. How long you going to be bitter over this?

I was mad too at first so don't take this as me celebrating the move. Certainly that wasn't the case. But I've gotten over it by now. What else can I do? Don't feel like quitting on the team.

Two years ago I think we'd all say Joe Flacco was around the 12th or so best QB in the league. Some might say lower. Look at him now. That's clearly not the case. What's the point? The point is that QBs roles and positions are constantly in flux and being evaluated. The top 5 QBs in the game today won't be the same list 3 years from now.

I'm not predicting Alex Smith will ever be in that league. But certainly he's middle of the pack. 15th or so. mediocre. Agreed. Lets see if he progresses from his last two years or if he slides.

While I want the Chiefs to win a SB, right now I just want to see if they can get in the playoffs and win a game first. I don't have much if any memories of the Chiefs the last time that happened.

Okay. So if Alex Smith unprecedentedly becomes this awesome franchise QB and the Chiefs win a Super Bowl, all the "I don't care, it's not my money, Clark's is the only opinion that matters, just sick back and enjoy the ride" people will I'm sure expect nothing less than the Nuremberg Trials for those who were adamant about drafting a QB this year.

That's not fair or admirable behavior either, but it's going to ****ing happen if that hypothetical scenario comes true.

That's how this forum works. Get used to it.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by SNR

Okay. So if Alex Smith unprecedentedly becomes this awesome franchise QB and the Chiefs win a Super Bowl, all the "I don't care, it's not my money, Clark's is the only opinion that matters, just sick back and enjoy the ride" people will I'm sure expect nothing less than the Nuremberg Trials for those who were adamant about drafting a QB this year.

That's not fair or admirable behavior either, but it's going to ****ing happen if that hypothetical scenario comes true.

That's how this forum works. Get used to it.

It's the truth. That's the irony of all the people fighting back against the Geno love. They are doing the same thing, and they sure will act the same if it pans out that Geno doesn't work out. Both sides have extreme people that post with arrogance and absolutes. Both sides quote those people and act like the whole group feels this way.

Case and point is the argument that the Geno supporters see him as can't miss. A few may say that, but most just like his upside. The truth, as you pointed out, is both sides are going to have cock suckers no matter which way it ends up. People ask how anyone can talk about Geno being great as an absolute and turn around only to say he won't be great as an absolute. Their is hypocrisy on both sides. The war has probably only started.

This season, no matter how Alex and Geno play, both sides are going to manipulate the situation.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

It's the truth. That's the irony of all the people fighting back against the Geno love. They are doing the same thing, and they sure will act the same if it pans out that Geno doesn't work out. Both sides have extreme people that post with arrogance and absolutes. Both sides quote those people and act like the whole group feels this way.

Case and point is the argument that the Geno supporters seem him as can't miss. The truth, as you pointed out, is both sides are going to have cock suckers no matter which way it ends up. People ask how anyone can talk about Geno being great as an absolute and turn around only to say he won't be great as an absolute. Their is hypocrisy on both sides. The war has probably only started.

This season, no matter how Alex and Geno play, both sides are going to manipulate the situation.

I disagree

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Ponderception

I disagree

My point isn't that most do, it's that most don't. But the few that do have their quotes taken and used as the motto of all people who wanted to draft him. I just didn't explain it very well in that post.