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Pioli can do it 63 48.46%
Pioli can't do it 39 30.00%
My cousins forskin would have drafted a better QB by now 28 21.54%
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:59 PM   Topic Starter
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I was excited when we hired Pioli. I was apparently an idiot.

What could go wrong? A guy from the front office of the best team in the NFL... executive of the year... a couple Super-Bowl teams he helped build. How was this not a major upgrade over Carl?

Long story short... do you still believe Peeholey can build a winning team or not?

(I know some didn't believe it from the start... geniuses)

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Old 08-27-2012, 12:10 AM   #2
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depends on what you mean by "winning team"

In Pioli's defense.. we currently have a VERY talented team that is young as hell. We are one lucky draft away from having no excuses on the talent side of things. (obviously that draft will need a legit QB prospect)
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:13 AM   #3
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depends on what you mean by "winning team"

In Pioli's defense.. we currently have a VERY talented team that is young as hell. We are one lucky draft away from having no excuses on the talent side of things. (obviously that draft will need a legit QB prospect)
A team that wins more than it losses. Playoffs would be a bonus. Super-Bowl... pfft. That's for other teams.

Seriously... a team that is an annual contender.
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:11 AM   #4
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I liked the Pioli signing and still do. Give the man a chance. How many years did we put up with Carl before getting rid of him. Pioli has made some errors (Casshole, Haley, Jones, and Carr) but overall is moving us in the right direction.
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:15 AM   #5
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I liked the Pioli signing and still do. Give the man a chance. How many years did we put up with Carl before getting rid of him. Pioli has made some errors (Casshole, Haley, Jones, and Carr) but overall is moving us in the right direction.
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I'd like to be on board with you and I will be once we get a real QB. He has improved other positions. He's ignored the most important... or maybe more realistically... he's been blind to his own failure.
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:18 AM   #6
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I liked the Pioli signing and still do. Give the man a chance. How many years did we put up with Carl before getting rid of him. Pioli has made some errors (Casshole, Haley, Jones, and Carr) but overall is moving us in the right direction.
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I feel I've given Pioli a chance, even through disagreeing with many key moves. If the Chiefs win a playoff game this year, that chance will be extended by one year.
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:23 AM   #7
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I feel I've given Pioli a chance, even through disagreeing with many key moves. If the Chiefs win a playoff game this year, that chance will be extended by one year.
This. This is a win now league. Teams can change fates immediately. With the Chiefs being so far under the cap in the past there's been no excuse not to seriously upgrade at QB other than Pioli's stupid pride imo.

If they don't go deep into the playoffs this year then shit can him. How much time do you need to not spend the money you have?
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:33 AM   #8
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This. This is a win now league. Teams can change fates immediately. With the Chiefs being so far under the cap in the past there's been no excuse not to seriously upgrade at QB other than Pioli's stupid pride imo.

If they don't go deep into the playoffs this year then shit can him. How much time do you need to not spend the money you have?
Hindsight 20/20, I would have loved for KC to have picked up Dalton over Baldwin in the 2011 draft. I don't think they did because of Kasl's stats but hell, I was willing to give Kasl another shot in '11 based on the previous season.

I bet they thought they had 3 years to develop Stanzi and that kept them from pulling the trigger on a high rd QB. Kasl ****ed us yet again.
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:38 AM   #9
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Hindsight 20/20, I would have loved for KC to have picked up Dalton over Baldwin in the 2011 draft. I don't think they did because of Kasl's stats but hell, I was willing to give Kasl another shot in '11 based on the previous season.

I bet they thought they had 3 years to develop Stanzi and that kept them from pulling the trigger on a high rd QB. Kasl ****ed us yet again.
I get that. I submit Dave's post #14 as my response.
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Old 08-27-2012, 06:31 PM   #10
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I liked the Pioli signing and still do. Give the man a chance. How many years did we put up with Carl before getting rid of him. Pioli has made some errors (Casshole, Haley, Jones, and Carr) but overall is moving us in the right direction.
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"WE" would have gotten rid of Carl a lot sooner if it were up to some of "US"

If Scott weren't so darn stubborn when it came to this whole Cassel thing
he would probably be pretty well liked right now. But since it IS the most important position/decision he could ever make....He is currently failing in my eyes.
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I liked the Pioli signing and still do. Give the man a chance. How many years did we put up with Carl before getting rid of him. Pioli has made some errors (Casshole, Haley, Jones, and Carr) but overall is moving us in the right direction.
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Yeah, it really sucked when the Chiefs hired Carl. Nine straight wining seasons, AFC Championship Game, traded for a Hall of Famer, signed a Hall of Famer, drafted three Hall of Famers and made several attempts to develop a long term QBOTF.

He was garbage.
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Yeah, it really sucked when the Chiefs hired Carl. Nine straight wining seasons, AFC Championship Game, traded for a Hall of Famer, signed a Hall of Famer, drafted three Hall of Famers and made several attempts to develop a long term QBOTF.

He was garbage.
The foundation for those early years with Carl were players drafted by Jack Steadman.

DT was the one player he drafted that ws a part of that foundation.

Through the later years of those 9 seasons, it was teams that relied heavily on the free agent market to continue to compete.

Other than a couple of players, Carl's drafts were marginal, at best.
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The foundation for those early years with Carl were players drafted by Jack Steadman.

DT was the one player he drafted that ws a part of that foundation.

Through the later years of those 9 seasons, it was teams that relied heavily on the free agent market to continue to compete.

Other than a couple of players, Carl's drafts were marginal, at best.
I think our incredible coaching staff in the 90's was a big reason for that talent. Look at Marty for crying out loud. He's one of the best coaches in NFL history at spotting talent. Even the Chargers are still living off of his draft picks and he's been gone for 6 years!

And here King Carl's ringing draft endorsement was Larry Johnson.
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I think our incredible coaching staff in the 90's was a big reason for that talent. Look at Marty for crying out loud. He's one of the best coaches in NFL history at spotting talent. Even the Chargers are still living off of his draft picks and he's been gone for 6 years!

And here King Carl's ringing draft endorsement was Larry Johnson.
The Chiefs during Marty's tenure as head coach only drafted 3 or 4 good players.
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The foundation for those early years with Carl were players drafted by Jack Steadman.
Right. I've made that argument time and again over the years.

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DT was the one player he drafted that ws a part of that foundation.
I disagree. Bringing in Mike Webster to help groom Grunhard was a good decision. Peterson also brought in Will Shields, Dave Szott, the aforementioned Derrick Thomas & Dave Szott, Dale Carter, Tony Gonzalez, Jerome Woods, Reggie Tongue and really hit it out of the park with Salemua, Joe Phillips, Marcus Allen, James Hasty and so on.

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Through the later years of those 9 seasons, it was teams that relied heavily on the free agent market to continue to compete.
Well, they were in legitimate "Win Now" territory in 1993-1998. Even then, he brought in Woods, Tongue, Edwards and Gonzalez.

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Other than a couple of players, Carl's drafts were marginal, at best.
I certainly agree that during the Vermeil era, the drafts were total ass. But I think that Carl did as much as any GM in the league could do from 1989-1998. He drafted two second round QB's, signed Krieg, traded for Montana, got Bono, Grbac and Gannon. The effort was certainly there. It just didn't end like we Chiefs fans had hoped.

Pioli, OTOH, has failed big time in the QB department and his first heading coaching hire (and assistant coaches to boot) were an epic disaster in his first season. Time will tell if Romeo can right the ship.
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