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Old 01-09-2017, 08:26 PM  
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Any thoughts on the potential ice storm this weekend?

This site seems to predict chaos and 2 inches of ice but I hope it's wrong.

https://www.facebook.com/WxSynopsis/...type=3&theater

Hope it's just a few flurries.

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I am very concerned when looking at the 12z EURO run from earlier today. Honestly I never seen max values being outputted on the EURO model before for Ice, so this is new to me. To say im concerned is an understatement. For anyone who understands icestorms and just how much can cause widespread impacts, all it takes is just .25 for power outages. If theres .50-.75 you are dealing with prolonged impacts, trees downed and extensive damage to power lines. Between 1.00-1.50 entire power grids become damaged. Widespread damage to trees. Roads impassable for days if not weeks. 1.50-2.00 power grids not only shut down but substations become damaged from the weight of ice accumulations building on transformers and pylons. Hard to imagine ice accumulating over 2inches. Once you get into these extreme values this is what you call a "catastrophic ice storm". Power grids can become damaged and take months to be fully repaired. So there is big time worries for central Oklahoma up to Ohio. We will be monitoring this potential and update when warranted. Anything can change, and if there is one forecast that I hope to god does not verify, this is the one.
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Old 01-15-2017, 09:37 AM   #901
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Zona Rosa in KC. Ice stuck to hood of truck but not windshield so don't think it's too bad yet
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Old 01-15-2017, 09:39 AM   #902
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The freezing rain stopped around 7:30 here and looks like the temps stayed right around freezing. As hcf said if the temps would have dropped a few of degrees less this would have been a major deal. So no it was over hyped we just got lucky that is all.
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Old 01-15-2017, 09:56 AM   #903
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The freezing rain stopped around 7:30 here and looks like the temps stayed right around freezing. As hcf said if the temps would have dropped a few of degrees less this would have been a major deal. So no it was over hyped we just got lucky that is all.
The precip slowed down and the temps came up.

My driveway is clear but my front yard has a half inch thick strip of ice all across it. My dogs fall down every time they hit it
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Old 01-15-2017, 09:58 AM   #904
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Old 01-15-2017, 10:09 AM   #905
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Old 01-15-2017, 10:10 AM   #906
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Old 01-15-2017, 10:12 AM   #907
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The precip slowed down and the temps came up.

My driveway is clear but my front yard has a half inch thick strip of ice all across it. My dogs fall down every time they hit it
Makes sense. I haven't ventured outside yet but looking out the window I see a ton of icicles everywhere.
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Old 01-15-2017, 10:29 AM   #909
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Makes sense. I haven't ventured outside yet but looking out the window I see a ton of icicles everywhere.
We got lucky imo.
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Old 01-15-2017, 10:57 AM   #911
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I have no choice to be an apologist for the entire weather enterprise (private/public) since I am a part of it. This was rightfully predicted to be a very serious situation, especially for Oklahoma and Kansas by historically reliable models (within 70 hours).

I'm not part of the Kansas city media and I don't watch the Weather Channel. My daily forecast area is the Red River Valley of north Texas. So, I don't know to what degree the storm potential was hyped by media and the folks at Pleasant Hill.

HERE'S THE MAIN PROBLEM in this age of social media: Both news & weather outlets (plus those who have no business talking about the weather) began warning people about how bad the storm could be (and had every right to do so based on the forecast data AT THAT TIME). The problem is, when new info comes in and forecast adjustments are made in the 48-24 hours leading up to the event...consumers of social media have been prepared (if not conditioned) for a "Storm of the Century (of the week)" and that's what they're expecting, even though they heard this on Wednesday and now its the Saturday before the storm. It seems that people refuse to adjust their expectations once the hype has gone full bore, even though that was 4 days before the event.

I think the issue here is that the two ingredients of an high impact ice storm simply didn't sync up. Basically temps warmed up before (or as) the significant rain moved in. I was confident that would be the case here, 6 hours south of Arrowhead, but was concerned of something far more dire in Kansas.

The Euro model (coming from the UK) is a strong performer. Regional meteorologists had every right to be concerned about a thin layer of sub-freezing air lingering as rain chances ramped up into the weekend.

What you'll find, once the storm passes, is that KS/MO was probably 4-7 degrees from a crippling Ice storm.
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Of course, that means there will be asshats that think everything's fine and go barreling down the highway at 80 mph.
While updating their Facebook status and tweeting.

Very thin layer of ice on my windshield, but I don't see anything on the trees. My dogs are out and don't seem to be having any trouble watching the occasional bird.
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I have no choice to be an apologist for the entire weather enterprise (private/public) since I am a part of it. This was rightfully predicted to be a very serious situation, especially for Oklahoma and Kansas by historically reliable models (within 70 hours).

I'm not part of the Kansas city media and I don't watch the Weather Channel. My daily forecast area is the Red River Valley of north Texas. So, I don't know to what degree the storm potential was hyped by media and the folks at Pleasant Hill.

HERE'S THE MAIN PROBLEM in this age of social media: Both news & weather outlets (plus those who have no business talking about the weather) began warning people about how bad the storm could be (and had every right to do so based on the forecast data AT THAT TIME). The problem is, when new info comes in and forecast adjustments are made in the 48-24 hours leading up to the event...consumers of social media have been prepared (if not conditioned) for a "Storm of the Century (of the week)" and that's what they're expecting, even though they heard this on Wednesday and now its the Saturday before the storm. It seems that people refuse to adjust their expectations once the hype has gone full bore, even though that was 4 days before the event.

I think the issue here is that the two ingredients of an high impact ice storm simply didn't sync up. Basically temps warmed up before (or as) the significant rain moved in. I was confident that would be the case here, 6 hours south of Arrowhead, but was concerned of something far more dire in Kansas.

The Euro model (coming from the UK) is a strong performer. Regional meteorologists had every right to be concerned about a thin layer of sub-freezing air lingering as rain chances ramped up into the weekend.

What you'll find, once the storm passes, is that KS/MO was probably 4-7 degrees from a crippling Ice storm.

Nail meet head. What happened is the bad stuff will be north of KC and they are ignoring that fact that it is still going to happen, just not there.

If the roles were reversed and they didn't forecast it and it did happen they would still be complaining.

Weather is ever changing. I don't think ever there will be a forecast model that will be 100% accurate every time.
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I have no choice to be an apologist for the entire weather enterprise (private/public) since I am a part of it. This was rightfully predicted to be a very serious situation, especially for Oklahoma and Kansas by historically reliable models (within 70 hours).

I'm not part of the Kansas city media and I don't watch the Weather Channel. My daily forecast area is the Red River Valley of north Texas. So, I don't know to what degree the storm potential was hyped by media and the folks at Pleasant Hill.

HERE'S THE MAIN PROBLEM in this age of social media: Both news & weather outlets (plus those who have no business talking about the weather) began warning people about how bad the storm could be (and had every right to do so based on the forecast data AT THAT TIME). The problem is, when new info comes in and forecast adjustments are made in the 48-24 hours leading up to the event...consumers of social media have been prepared (if not conditioned) for a "Storm of the Century (of the week)" and that's what they're expecting, even though they heard this on Wednesday and now its the Saturday before the storm. It seems that people refuse to adjust their expectations once the hype has gone full bore, even though that was 4 days before the event.

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What you'll find, once the storm passes, is that KS/MO was probably 4-7 degrees from a crippling Ice storm.

Sounds about right, well this is the report I gave TOO! :P
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