The Official "Lost" the series discussion

[Deberg_1990]

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

[Buck]

Originally Posted by aarowheadnation

Here are my thoughts on last night's episode that I posted on another forum that I frequent. I didn't even know there were any Lost-heads on CP. I'll start frequenting this thread more often if you'll have me.
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Ok....I've collected my thoughts and just got done watching a second time. Here I go...

1. First and foremost, I believe the name of the episode is very significant. "The Little Prince"...........obviously has to be about Aaron. Waaaay too many references to him tonight. He must be the future leader. Jacob's chosen one. Afterall, he's the grandson of Jacob's messenger, Christian Shepard. Ben is either doing Jacob's bidding in bringing back to the island OOOORRRRR.....he's gonna use him as a bargaining chip to get back in Jacob's good graces. This all makes me think this episode is actually a little more important than I thought before.

Agree 100% with everything you say here. I never thought about it, but after you said it, It makes sense.

2. Miles has to be Candle's son. This theory is supported farther tonight when Miles gets a nose bleed. Faraday says it happens to people who've spent a significant time on the island. Significant to me is like many years, not many days. Juliet....bleeding. Charlotte....bleeding. Miles....bleeding. Sawyer.....not bleeding. Hmmmm....Something tells me Miles and Charlotte both grew up on the island.

Agree 100%

3. The unknown group chasing them in the raft....your guess is as good as mine. What if it was their future selves chasing them....total mindblow. Juliet may have shot herself. What if it was the O6 who had returned to camp to find their old homies. I don't think this is the case. Captain safety...aka....Jack would not have allowed anyone to fire shots at them....you know how he is.

After I saw the Ajira Water bottle in the empty canoe I thought it was the Oceanic Six who had come back, but I don't think they would shoot at anybody. I still am unsure about these people.

4. Everything is getting in place for the return to the island. They're all in LA. I'll be interested to see what happens when Penny and Desmond show up and Ben is around. And what do you want to bet they don't all hop the first flight via Ajira Airlines to Mumbai.

Yes

5. Who hired that guy to get Sayid?...I said "get" because it was pretty obvious he wasn't trying to kill him....darts ftw.....All signs point to Widmore.

Good Question, at first I was thinking that that hitman was connected to whoever was trying to get the blood samples, but then I realized, why would Ben want to hurt Sayid? Maybe he was just trying to knock him out cold so that Sayid couldn't struggle and not come along for the ride, he does seem to Hate Ben now.

6. I think the end is starting to come into very distant sight. Once the O6 return, I think things are really going to start to pick up.

I CANNOT ****ING WAIT

[Buck]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Not really, Bro.

Danielle stated that it had been 17 years since that signal was sent. I assumed that her character was near her real age of 49. She's now 54.

We see her daughter, Alex and she's 16 or 17, so that makes sense. What doesn't make sense to me (and I'm probably blowing this way, way, way, way, way out of proportion) is the girl portraying Alex last night was in her early 20's.

So, either there's something we're missing with the time-line, or maybe we all misinterpreted her when she said "It's been that long" about the signal and that they had been there even longer (maybe it took them 10 or more years to send the message) or I'm flat out off my rocker.

Yeah I don't think that the people died right away. They could have been there for a long time before they sent the signal.

[keg in kc]

That episode bored the hell out of me until the last 5 minutes.

[007]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Not really, Bro.

Danielle stated that it had been 17 years since that signal was sent. I assumed that her character was near her real age of 49. She's now 54.

We see her daughter, Alex and she's 16 or 17, so that makes sense. What doesn't make sense to me (and I'm probably blowing this way, way, way, way, way out of proportion) is the girl portraying Alex last night was in her early 20's.

So, either there's something we're missing with the time-line, or maybe we all misinterpreted her when she said "It's been that long" about the signal and that they had been there even longer (maybe it took them 10 or more years to send the message) or I'm flat out off my rocker.

you are just off your rocker

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Guru

you are just off your rocker

Shhhhh!

Don't tell anyone...

[arrowheadnation]

Oh yeah one more thing. I don't know if it's been discussed here or not, but the van Ben was driving said Canton-Rainier on the side of it. Decipher the letters and bada-bing, you have Reincarnation! I swear...these are some of the best writers in TV history.

[Buck]

Originally Posted by aarowheadnation

Oh yeah one more thing. I don't know if it's been discussed here or not, but the van Ben was driving said Canton-Rainier on the side of it. Decipher the letters and bada-bing, you have Reincarnation! I swear...these are some of the best writers in TV history.

Thats sort of an old trick though, you know, with the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral home.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Rousseau last night was shown as a very, very young girl. She appeared no more than 20 years old. The Rousseau of 2004 was 49.

Something doesn't add up.

Ah, good point.

[Adept Havelock]

Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding

1. First and foremost, I believe the name of the episode is very significant. "The Little Prince"...........obviously has to be about Aaron. Waaaay too many references to him tonight. He must be the future leader. Jacob's chosen one. Afterall, he's the grandson of Jacob's messenger, Christian Shepard. Ben is either doing Jacob's bidding in bringing back to the island OOOORRRRR.....he's gonna use him as a bargaining chip to get back in Jacob's good graces. This all makes me think this episode is actually a little more important than I thought before.

Also, the biblical "Aaron" was the great-great grandson of "Jacob the Shepherd".

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Not really, Bro.

Danielle stated that it had been 17 years since that signal was sent. I assumed that her character was near her real age of 49. She's now 54.

We see her daughter, Alex and she's 16 or 17, so that makes sense. What doesn't make sense to me (and I'm probably blowing this way, way, way, way, way out of proportion) is the girl portraying Alex last night was in her early 20's.

So, either there's something we're missing with the time-line, or maybe we all misinterpreted her when she said "It's been that long" about the signal and that they had been there even longer (maybe it took them 10 or more years to send the message) or I'm flat out off my rocker.

Personally, I think you're flat out off your rocker!

But I love your conviction and I thinks it's awesome that you're sticking to it. And if you are right I promise I'll be the first to bow to the awesome power that is DaneMcCloud and I'll never doubt you again!

At this point, honestly, I'm almost pulling for you to be right just because you've put so much thought into it. Gotta respect that.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by aarowheadnation

Here are my thoughts on last night's episode that I posted on another forum that I frequent. I didn't even know there were any Lost-heads on CP. I'll start frequenting this thread more often if you'll have me.
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Ok....I've collected my thoughts and just got done watching a second time. Here I go....

Good post, by the way and welcome to the discussion! My response is going to be long. Forgive me in advance for the long post, but there's no easy, pithy way to respond to your points. Bear with me...

1. Interesting. I think you're right on about most of this. Clearly Aaron is very important to the whole endgame. I don't think that Ben sicking the lawyer on Aaron has as much to do with Aaron as it does Kate. Ben HAS to get everyone back. He knows Kate has agreed (to a judge) to stay put and has no desire to return to the island. The best way to get her on the run is to go after Aaron. Ben's a smart dude. I do LIKE the idea of Ben using Aaron to get back in Jacob's good graces/back to the island in general. Good thoughts. I can't wait to see how it plays out.

2. Yes. I agree Miles is Pierre Chang's son. I don't know how much growing up he did on the island, though. That's certainly possible. But I took what Faraday said a little differently.... I'll try to explain:

I think Faraday wasn't refering to time spent on the island. He was talking about who has the overall longest history with the island. Everyone will eventually get a nosebleed and be affected by the time jumping if it doesn't stop soon. (Everyone except perhaps Faraday because of the whole constant thing) Sawyer, Rose, Bernard, Locke all of them WILL be affected. Charlotte was affected first, not necessarily because she's spent the most time (in her overall life) on the island but because she was there first. She was the first of our time traveling group to have been on the island in chronological time. Let's say she was born on the island on Jan 1975 (this is a random date, not based on anything, just trying to make a point). Now it's Jan 2005 in chronological island time. So her first entry point onto the island was 30 years ago. Then maybe Miles was born (again just a random example) in Jan of 1976. His first contact with the island was 29 years ago. Both of them could have spent less than a year of their lives living on the island, but Charlotte's nose started bleeding first because her history with the island goes back the furthest. Even if it's just a few years or even months or even days. Does that make sense?

My point is just that Charlotte and Miles, I do agree, were both born there, but they may not have spent a significant chunk of time there. We know Chang is warned of the purge by (presumably) Faraday. Perhaps he sends Miles away when he is still a small baby to "prevent" him from being killed in the purge.

Anyway, I could be wrong. I just wanted to present a possible alternative because I took what Faraday said a little differently. We could both be way off. Even Faraday says he's not sure... so... we'll see. Either way, I agree 100% with your innitial point. Miles = Chang's baby. Definately.

3. Yeah, I have no idea. I also don't think it's the 06. Never thought that it would be themselves! That's kinda fun. My first agrument would be, why would they shoot at themselves? But, as we know, once it happens it always happens. It would be interesting to see the scene from the shooters point of view. To watch Faraday or Locke explain that they have to shoot at themselves because that's what happened last time and you can't change it. Could be fun... Somehow though I'm leaning toward the shooters being some other group of people entirely... Can't wait to find out!

4. "And what do you want to bet they don't all hop the first flight via Ajira Airlines to Mumbai." Absolutely!

The question is if Ben sees Penny will he try to kill her? Will he succeed? Do you think Penny will make through the rest of the show alive?

5. Widmore or perhaps Sun. Maybe both working together as a team? Probably, Widmore...

6. I bet the 06 are back on the island in the next two episodes. We may not see the whole story of how they get back until the end of the season, but I think we will see them back on that island by the end of the next two episodes. That's my prediction.

Good post, my friend. Keep 'em coming. I can't get enough of talking about this show. It just continues to blow my mind...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

Personally, I think you're flat out off your rocker!

But I love your conviction and I thinks it's awesome that you're sticking to it. And if you are right I promise I'll be the first to bow to the awesome power that is DaneMcCloud and I'll never doubt you again!

At this point, honestly, I'm almost pulling for you to be right just because you've put so much thought into it. Gotta respect that.

Actually, I think I'm wrong. I re-watched last night and somehow forgot that the young Danielle was pregnant. So, either I'm completely wrong or that baby is not Alex.

I think I'm just wrong.

[BigRedChief]

Entertainment Weekly) -- Across the street from a neatly tended cemetery on the island of Oahu, there is a gated lot where the past, present, and future of "Lost" all come together. The Others' submarine, Henry Gale's hot-air balloon, Locke's outrigger -- all beached on the grass like so many Black Rock shipwrecks.

Spoiler!

And inside a large soundstage, hidden away from prying eyes, "Lost's" iconic castaways are huddled on a top-secret set, trying very hard not to totally spaz out. The action being shot for the year's 12th episode is almost spoilerifically indescribable, but we can report -- perhaps to your great relief -- that most of the gang is back on the Island after an early sweep of time-travel episodes that kept many of them separated by distance and history.

Jack (Matthew Fox) sits tense and terse, dressed as ... uh ... can't say. Sawyer (Josh Holloway) bursts through a door, freaking out over...someone. Someone who is bleeding. A lot. As Kate (Evangeline Lilly) eyeballs both her men, trying as always to decide between them, psychic hustler Miles Straume (Ken Leung) cradles a shotgun while fretting about -- and we think we're getting this right -- the catastrophic collapse of the space-time continuum! (Or maybe he said "the economy." Same difference, though, right?)

No, "Lost" definitely isn't playing it safe, even though it has every reason to do just that. It didn't even try. Instead, "Lost" has opted to start season 5 by baring its potentially alienating geek soul and challenging its audience even more with gonzo storytelling.

Thought the show was confusing before? Try this on for size: Time travel. Quantum physics. Hydrogen bombs. And a "Da Vinci Code"-meets-"Foucault's Pendulum"-meets-"Weekend at Bernie's" conspiracy to save (or destroy) the world, the linchpin of which involves U-Hauling the corpse of John Locke (Terry O'Quinn) back to the Island. Keep it all straight at Entertainment Weekly's "Lost" hub

When the gloriously strange saga of "Lost" finally concludes next year, season 5 is likely to be remembered as the one when the series came out of the closet and declared itself. But here's hoping it doesn't lose everyone in the process: So far this season, "Lost" is averaging 11.3 million viewers, down 3.4 percent from last season, and a far cry from the series-high average of 15.9 million in season 1.

But the producers say: Come what may.

"The fear is that 'Lost' just became an AP class, and really, what's one's incentive for taking an AP class?" says exec producer Damon Lindelof. "But the show has gotten to that point where it had to let its freak flag fly. It needed to announce, 'You wanna know what the Island is? You wanna know why these people were brought to the Island? You wanna know what their purpose for being there is? Well, it might be a little weirder than you would've hoped.' "

But is it too weird? "I was a little worried about the start of the season, to be honest," says Lilly, battling back a cold and enjoying some late-afternoon Hawaii sun in between takes. "It might sound terrible to say, but the mythology of this show eludes me. I am all about the characters and the interplay of the relationships and the angst of redemption and retribution -- all those good nuggets."

Her costar Matthew Fox has another, more optimistic take. "It feels very different from what 'Lost' has felt like in the past, but in a really good way," says the actor. "There will be many, many answers, lots of things from past seasons that left the audience thinking, 'That's never going to pay off' -- but it does, in really cool ways that make you go 'Holy s---!' "
Of course, "Lost" has always been pretty off its rocker. Ghosts. Locke's legs. Smokey the monster. Those who've hoped "Lost" would avoid sci-fi answers may have been fooling themselves. "Honestly," says Lindelof, "the non-genre answer just isn't that interesting."

And now it's clear the time-travel element of the Island (beyond just the flashbacks/flash-forwards) has been part of the show from the beginning.
"This season, it's like the audience is finally opening up a present that was actually bought and wrapped years ago," says Lindelof. "At least, we hope they think it's a present."

In other words: The producers have a master plan -- and an exit strategy. But that master plan couldn't be unleashed fully until Lindelof and partner Carlton Cuse negotiated a series end date during season 3. "The same way our characters were sort of locked in cages in season 3, when the show went awry," says Cuse, "we felt locked in cages because we didn't know if our mythology had to go two more years or nine."
Now uncaged, the producers face the challenge of telling their story successfully without unraveling the franchise.

The producers promise an approach to time travel backed by researchable science (Popular Mechanics even has a "Lost" blog analyzing it) and grounded in humanity..

Some cast members have worried that a sci-fi emphasis might compromise the show's identity, limit its possibilities, and make the drama even less accessible to non-geek-minded viewers.

"I'm mixed about it, to be honest," says Daniel Dae Kim, whose presumed-dead Jin was discovered alive and well on a recent episode. "One of the things that attracted me initially to this show was how universal the themes were and how different the kinds of stories it could tell. Now, I feel with the sci-fi we're becoming definable in a way that maybe we weren't in the first season. At the same time, I like how the writers are showing allegiance to the true fans. The people who stayed with us are being rewarded with the more complicated and nuanced storytelling that they've been hungering for."

As for ABC's feelings about "Lost's" dive down the sci-fi rabbit hole, senior VP of current drama programming Kim Rozenfeld says, "There were aspects that were certainly unorthodox, but we were comfortable because we knew how they set up the larger story."

And that story is still capable of addressing very relatable human themes. "Usually in shows, the cliff-hanger is all about who's shacking up with who," says Leung. "On 'Lost,' the cliff-hanger is about the meaning of existence. What does it mean to be alive?"

Lindelof and Cuse are hopeful fans remain enthusiastic. "We feel like the audience will be really clamoring to get back to the Island after these first seven episodes," says Lindelof. "And they'll get a big massive dose of it for pretty much the remainder of the season."

For all the excitement as the series winds down, "Lost" -- brainy, challenging, locked into an evolving, serialized story -- remains a tough choo-choo to jump aboard if you're not already up to speed. Ratings are likely to continue to inch down as opposed to up.
But the producers aren't sweating it.

"For most showrunners, existence is predicat
ed on 'If I get good ratings, I get to keep doing this,' " says Cuse. "But we know 'Lost' is ending, no matter what the ratings are. So we're just trying to make sure that we end the story well and we get it executed on film the way we want it."

[Red Brooklyn]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=52800


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[Buck]

Regarding the last 2 posts, they gave away some spoilers. Use spoiler tags next time please.

If you dont know how you put [.spoiler] (without the period) before the text and [./spoiler] (without the period) after the text.

It will look something like this.

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LOST IS AWESOME