Rumor: Redskins prepared to offer at least 4 picks for the #2 pick.

[The Franchise]

www.Rotoworld.com

Teams sources tell NBC Philadelphia's Howard Eskin the Redskins are prepared to offer the Rams their top three 2012 picks and "at least" their 2013 first-round pick to move up to draft Baylor QB Robert Griffin III.

If true, it would be a positively Ricky Williams-ian haul for the Rams, who saw the value of their No. 2 pick increase even further on Sunday when Griffin was unofficially timed at a blazing 4.38 in the 40 at the Combine. Eskin's report comes two days after SI.com's Tony Pauline reported the Rams have engaged in "exploratory talks" with the Redskins about a swap. Source: Howard Eskin on Twitter

[O.city]

IF the Chiefs were to give up that much, fine.


Until you get that guy at qb, it's been shown that you are essentially spinning your wheels, hoping to get lucky to win a SB.

Ask yourself this, if the Chiefs gave up this whole draft and a first rounder next year and took RGIII, what are they really losing?

I would almost argue that a he would be more important to the Chiefs success over the next 10 or 12 years than all those picks combined.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

If true, the Redskins are giving around 3500 points in draft trade value (if you go by the old draft pick value chart). For the Chiefs to do the same thing they'd need to give up the entire 2012 draft PLUS the first and second from next year. If this report is true I just don't see how KC has the firepower unless you do a deal where Carr is somehow thrown into the mix which seems unlikely (and even then you're still looking at all of this year's meaningful picks as well as next year's 1).

The Chiefs have to do more than trade away the entire draft to match Wasington:

Match:
1st round 2012 (#11)
2nd round 2012 (#44)
3rd round 2012 (#75)
1st round 2013 (TBD)
2nd round 2013 (TBD)
That's a 435 point differential (Chiefs stagger between #11 and #12 picks all draft)

The rest of the draft, the Chiefs have 149.6 points (factoring in Jarrad Page 7th rounder). That means even if the Chiefs give away the entire 2012 draft + 2013 first and second round, they are still 285.4 points behind. That means the Chiefs have to give up pretty much a 2013 third round pick as well in order to make up for that difference.

So in order to match Washington, our trade comp needs to be:
Entire 2012 draft (8 picks)
2013 draft: first round, second round, third round

OR

1st, 2nd, 3rd in 2012
1st, 2nd, 3rd in 2013
Likely a 2nd rounder in 2014

That's assuming we use the old trade chart (there's no doubt that trade value went up a ton in 2012). That's not even factoring in that Washington will be bad in 2012 even with RGIII, whereas the Chiefs could be a top 10 team. So even for 2013 picks, I'm sure STL believes the Chiefs will be 10 or so picks behind Washington.

I think it will cost us AT LEAST 3 firsts, 2 seconds, and 2 thirds to match this offer.

[Okie_Apparition]

The Rams may have to trade back a high $ player to make cap room
if you can do that

[O.city]

Only way we get RGIII is if the other teams fill the qb thru free agency and he falls to us.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition

The Rams may have to trade back a high $ player to make cap room
if you can do that

You are assuming that a team like the Rams is more interested in an expensive 27 year old who can give you five years, than a 22 year old who can give you 10 years.

It doesn't matter if Carr or Bowe are sure things. The Rams will realistically be competitive 2-3 years from now. So by the time, they're competitive, Bowe/Carr will be nearing the downside of their careers.

[O.city]

I think he was saying the Rams will ahve to trade one of their high money players.

[Fritz88]

I've given Polio a lot of benefit of the doubt; however, if he goes all in for RGIII, I will give up on Polio.

If RGIII lands to us, then okay, but to give up this much for him? No thanks.

I'd be fine doing that with Luck, but not with RGIII.

Beans.

[Okie_Apparition]

I'm wondering if taking Stephen Jackon's(or other) salary off their hands no matter the trade partner is legal
You give us(Rams) 2 firsts, we kick back a high dollar employee to you edit:Freeing cap space for the Rams

[L.A. Chieffan]

Lol ridiculous. Even luck isn't worth that.

[RustShack]

I could see us and would love to trade up for RG3 IF he falls down a little. But there is no way we should give what it would take to get to #2.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

If Snyder is willing to do it, then that pretty much seals the fact it is a bad idea. Dude is a habitual bad decision maker.

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[O.city]

If the Skins and Browns signed a free agent qb, thus taking them out of this race, I'd think about trading up ahead of the Phins. That would be the only situation though.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

IF the Chiefs were to give up that much, fine.


Until you get that guy at qb, it's been shown that you are essentially spinning your wheels, hoping to get lucky to win a SB.

Ask yourself this, if the Chiefs gave up this whole draft and a first rounder next year and took RGIII, what are they really losing?

I would almost argue that a he would be more important to the Chiefs success over the next 10 or 12 years than all those picks combined.

There are about 5-6 QBs that come into the league over a 10-year span who are so good, they can win games even if their supporting cast is bad. Even Eli... some question if he's a pure Super Bowl QB without his stellar supporting cast. You give him an average cast and is he a Super Bowl winner?

If RGIII is the wrong QB and you trade away 3 drafts for him, you set the franchise back maybe 6 years. 3 years as you develop him. During those 3 years, your veterans will decline or go elsewhere and you probably bring in less than a handful of players from the draft to replace them so in 2015... you're probably rebuilding the supporting cast from scratch. If RGIII is good enough (but not Peyton Manning elite), then you leave him a 3-year window to win. If RGIII doesn't win a Super Bowl by 2015, suddenly, Bowe, Charles, Hali, etc... start to hit a decline. And again, no draft picks to replace them.

While I get that you have to take chances, people are seriously underestimating the risk of gambling everything on a drafted QB to not just be good, but to be in that ultra-rare class of elite QBs.

[L.A. Chieffan]

I like rg3 but I saw the dude get knocked out cold by a 2nd rate college safety. What's gonna happen when its a guy like JPP?

[-King-]

Originally Posted by GordonGekko

Damn.

Can't argue with this.

Trent Green I'd say was a pseudo franchise QB for us, he did a pretty good job. He just wasn't a 'winner'.

In what way wasn't Trent Green a winner? He would have won superbowlS if he just had an average defense. A defense forces just one punt and we would have won it in 2003.