Chiefs I'd still say the race for Andrew Luck is still on. - Page 5

Direckshun · 09-26-2011, 09:45 AM

First off, the Chiefs are still a ****ing bad team, thanks to injury, Matt Cassel, and piss poor coaching/play calling.

Those blowouts we had to start the season were perfect indications of it.

A close game with San Diego was predictable if you follow spot betting for professional football:

1. The Chargers just lost their Super Bowl of September against the Patriots.
2. The law of averages favors the Chiefs, two times over.
3. The emotional advantage is totally on KC’s side.
4. Todd Haley’s Chiefs compete after tough road losses.
5. Teams that aren’t total disaster cases like the Raiders tend to tense up and play up and beyond their best when they lose their franchise player(s).
6. The Chiefs aren’t as bad as everybody (including themselves) are making them out to be.

These are all factors that say: this game was going to be close, regardless of the chasm in talent between the two teams.

We've also got two shitty opponents up next in the Vikes and the Colts. The Chiefs will look composed and together. In reality, however, these two games (and the Chiefs should win at least one of them) are shitty teams against shitty teams, and shouldn't convince anybody on CP that this team is anything but a Bottom 5 squad.

**RealSNR** · 09-26-2011, 11:32 AM

My thing with Foles is how is he when he gets pressured? I'm sick of having QBs play for this team who can only do well when they have 10 seconds of protection

Trevo_410 · 09-26-2011, 11:35 AM

for barkley to suck against asu as much as he did with all the talent around him.... I'm Not Interested

He's got to small of a frame to to be mediocre in this league. Foles > Barkeley

Frankie · 09-26-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ReeTodd_KC

You sure you wouldnt rather give up a Second for Matt Flynn, than draft a 1st rd QB?

I wouldn't. At least not in a draft year that a once in a generation QB might be available to us. Flynn has looked OK, but look at the talent around him.

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Gabbert showed enough in yesterdays game to keep him in Jacksonville.

The only way that the Jags draft Luck......is if Del Rio is fired and the new coach wants nothing to do with Gabbert.

I bet the Jax would be glad to draft Luck and trade away Gabbert.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But do you think Pioli would ever ever give up more than Elway to move up and grab Luck?

If the Chiefs don't get #1 overall, we'd better hope a team that needs a quarterback does because you know that Elway will absolutely sell the farm for him.

Elway's hard on for Luck is very difficult to not notice. I hate this more all the rest of the scenarios combined.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Miami is a much better team than they're getting credit for, IMO.

That's a 6 win ballclub. They have some legit talent at the skill positions and can have bursts where they're able to score against anyone. Henne is hated by his fans, but he's really not that bad. He's below average because hes inconsistent, but when he's feeling locked in and Marshall's into the game, those guys are capable of blowing you out of the water.

I'm not worried about Miami.

I'm afraid I don't share your confidence.

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Originally Posted by suds79

tushay

You MUST have been a longtime Chiefs fan. You are already adding CP spellings to the lexicon. This one for the word 'touché.'

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

Peyton is practicing for his next gig - Offensive coordinator. Todd, are you listening?

If Todd survives, I think Zorn will be our OC next year.

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Originally Posted by lcarus

I'd take Peyton as a offensive coach any day of the week. The guy flat out understands the game. There's no denying.

What makes you guys think Peyton Manning will even wanna coach at all?! The money he can make from a chushy TV gig is far better than that of an assistant coach.

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Seriously though....if we don't have a shot at Luck.....I would be perfectly fine with grabbing Foles wherever we sit in the 1st round.

That's my standing as well.

Trevo_410 · 09-26-2011, 11:37 AM

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-26-2011, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If Kerry Collins can't play, I'm not sure how we can outsuck the Colts.

Curtis Painter is terrible. I mean damn, how did an NFL team think that having this guy on their roster was a good idea?

Our only hope is Robert Mathis. He could just torment Richardson to the point that Cassel actually starts taking the snap from the fetal position.

I prefer to call him Curtis Spicoli

**The Franchise** · 09-26-2011, 11:41 AM

Foles is not as polished as Luck.....but I still think he's going to be a damn good QB in the NFL.

DJ's left nut · 09-26-2011, 11:42 AM

Okay - I'm 4 minutes into the Foles tape and I have to ask if it gets better.

I see very little to be impressed by in that tape. Lots of dump offs and throws about 8 yards downfield. He made a nice little throw to the OSU 30 there towards the end, but that was back across his body to a wide open guy, not exactly a smart throw and not exactly a difficult one to execute. Oh, and then the drive stalled badly.

I'll need to see a lot more than that before I include him on a 'high 1st rounder' list.

**DaKCMan AP** · 09-26-2011, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Yet the week before he was damn good. We will see this week as him and Foles get to battle it out.

Against Syracuse.

MTG#10 · 09-26-2011, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

No more trading for back-up QB's with alleged potential.

Steve Pelluer, Steve Bono, Elvis Grbac, Trent Green, Matt Cassel... ENOUGH

Time to draft a franchise QB.

Trent Green shouldn't be on this list, he was actually damn good for several years.

Chiefnj2 · 09-26-2011, 11:46 AM

Highlight clips of most QB prospects up in the draft planet forum.

Reerun_KC · 09-26-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Okay - I'm 4 minutes into the Foles tape and I have to ask if it gets better.

I see very little to be impressed by in that tape. Lots of dump offs and throws about 8 yards downfield. He made a nice little throw to the OSU 30 there towards the end, but that was back across his body to a wide open guy, not exactly a smart throw and not exactly a difficult one to execute. Oh, and then the drive stalled badly.

I'll need to see a lot more than that before I include him on a 'high 1st rounder' list.

You cant base everything off this one game...

OSU is a solid ball club...

He looked much better against Standford earlier this year.

Frankie · 09-26-2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Okay - I'm 4 minutes into the Foles tape and I have to ask if it gets better.

I see very little to be impressed by in that tape. Lots of dump offs and throws about 8 yards downfield. He made a nice little throw to the OSU 30 there towards the end, but that was back across his body to a wide open guy, not exactly a smart throw and not exactly a difficult one to execute. Oh, and then the drive stalled badly.

I'll need to see a lot more than that before I include him on a 'high 1st rounder' list.

You beat me to this post. I admit I have not seen Foles in action much and I'm going strictly by stats and word of mouth at this point. Like you I had only enough time to watch the first few minute of this tape, but sadly this tape (at least) does not give me a lot of warmth in my heart about Foles. I see a lot of dink and donks reminiscent of Matt Cassel.

Frankie · 09-26-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ReeTodd_KC

He looked much better against Standford earlier this year.

Ir the rerun of that game available anywhere to watch?

**RealSNR** · 09-26-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Okay - I'm 4 minutes into the Foles tape and I have to ask if it gets better.

I see very little to be impressed by in that tape. Lots of dump offs and throws about 8 yards downfield. He made a nice little throw to the OSU 30 there towards the end, but that was back across his body to a wide open guy, not exactly a smart throw and not exactly a difficult one to execute. Oh, and then the drive stalled badly.

I'll need to see a lot more than that before I include him on a 'high 1st rounder' list.

This. He looked spectacularly Casselesque.

He's got great size, and seems to evade pressure somewhat well? He's also got better wheels than Luck. But that footage of checkdown checkdown checkdown really repulsed me.

Jaric · 09-26-2011, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I actually think the team with the best chance of beating us to Luck are the Jaguars.

Who just drafted a QB in the first round this year.

09-26-2011, 09:45 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4353447	I'd still say the race for Andrew Luck is still on. First off, the Chiefs are still a ***ing bad team, thanks to injury, Matt Cassel, and piss poor coaching/play calling. Those blowouts we had to start the season were perfect indications of it. A close game with San Diego was predictable if you follow spot betting for professional football: 1. The Chargers just lost their Super Bowl of September against the Patriots. 2. The law of averages favors the Chiefs, two times over. 3. The emotional advantage is totally on KC’s side. 4. Todd Haley’s Chiefs compete after tough road losses. 5. Teams that aren’t total disaster cases like the Raiders tend to tense up and play up and beyond their best when they lose their franchise player(s). 6. The Chiefs aren’t as bad as everybody (including themselves) are making them out to be. These are all factors that say: this game was going to be close, regardless of the chasm in talent between the two teams. We've also got two shitty opponents up next in the Vikes and the Colts. The Chiefs will look composed and together. In reality, however, these two games (and the Chiefs should win at least one* of them) are shitty teams against shitty teams, and shouldn't convince anybody on CP that this team is anything but a Bottom 5 squad.
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2979099	Okay - I'm 4 minutes into the Foles tape and I have to ask if it gets better. I see very little to be impressed by in that tape. Lots of dump offs and throws about 8 yards downfield. He made a nice little throw to the OSU 30 there towards the end, but that was back across his body to a wide open guy, not exactly a smart throw and not exactly a difficult one to execute. Oh, and then the drive stalled badly. I'll need to see a lot more than that before I include him on a 'high 1st rounder' list. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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