Interesting substitutions on defense yesterday.

**Rain Man** · 10-17-2005, 09:15 AM

I noticed Wilkerson at nose tackle in the 3-4 at least once.

We were pulling Hicks on passing downs and moving Allen to the left side, with Hall on the right. (I know that was planned, so it's not too suprising.)

I think I saw Allen at nose tackle in a 3-4 passing situation once, but I'm not sure.

Just curious: why did Washington replace McCleon instead of Sapp? I would've expected the nickel back to become the starter in that situation.

I saw Scanlon in on defense on the first series, playing RILB in the 3-4. I didn't see him much afterward.

It looked like Griffin was in at ROLB in the 3-4 later in the game, with Bell presumably moving inside to RILB.

This is all based on watching the game once without the benefit of TiVo or anything. Can anyone else confirm or refute these observations? What other interesting things did we see out there?

jspchief · 10-17-2005, 09:19 AM

I saw Scanlon line up once at ROLB in the 3-4, with DJ at RILB.

As far as Sapp, I don't think he's very good in coverage. He's an effective nickel when blitzing, but he's been getting torched in coverage. He was largely responsible for Philly's passing heyday.

Chiefs Pantalones · 10-17-2005, 09:22 AM

Does anyone else think that we make more plays in a 3-4 than any other alignment.

**Lzen** · 10-17-2005, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

Does anyone else think that we make more plays in a 3-4 than any other alignment.

Yes.

Chiefs Pantalones · 10-17-2005, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

Yes.

Thank you. Next question!

**Rain Man** · 10-17-2005, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

Thank you. Next question!

Okay, next question. What's your e-mail address?

(Heh-heh. This ought to keep him busy for a while.)

Warrior5 · 10-17-2005, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

As far as Sapp, I don't think he's very good in coverage. He's an effective nickel when blitzing, but he's been getting torched in coverage. He was largely responsible for Philly's passing heyday.

Oh yeah...thanks for reminding me jspchief. WTH was up with Sapp on that corner blitz. I thought, "Outstanding; he's going to decapitate Brunell!" Brunell simply ducked about a foot, and Sapp's arms went over his head. He had a full frontal shot at killing Brunell and instead he tackled air. What a wasted opportunity.

**Mr. Kotter** · 10-17-2005, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

Does anyone else think that we make more plays in a 3-4 than any other alignment.

As a change of pace, it does seem effective.

As a base defense, I'm still not sure; although unless we repeat our Defensive effort of yesterday....for the rest of the season, it can't hurt.

donkhater · 10-17-2005, 10:07 AM

Just guessing, but if you gave Sapp the outside and slid Washington into the nickel back role, you'd have two guys who maybe weren't comfortable or knowledgable about their assignments.

Sub Washington in for McCleon, at least Sapp's position doesn't change and Washngton is probably better suited for the outside.

jspchief · 10-17-2005, 10:19 AM

Was Woods playing some Nickel too? Or was he just filling in spot duty for Wesley at FS?

I know Woods was the other slice of bread on the Jared Allen sack sandwich that forced one of the fumbles.

jspchief · 10-17-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Warrior5

Oh yeah...thanks for reminding me jspchief. WTH was up with Sapp on that corner blitz. I thought, "Outstanding; he's going to decapitate Brunell!" Brunell simply ducked about a foot, and Sapp's arms went over his head. He had a full frontal shot at killing Brunell and instead he tackled air. What a wasted opportunity.

Heh. Young guy vs. Veteran... Vet wins.

We ran that blitz with a lot of success in pre-season, and haven't used Sapp on it much in the regular season (been using safeties instead). Coming free like that, he needs to make sure he gets the hit. Even so, I like that play, and hope we see more of it.

**Rain Man** · 10-17-2005, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Heh. Young guy vs. Veteran... Vet wins.

We ran that blitz with a lot of success in pre-season, and haven't used Sapp on it much in the regular season (been using safeties instead). Coming free like that, he needs to make sure he gets the hit. Even so, I like that play, and hope we see more of it.

Perhaps we can also run another version of the play where Sapp doesn't run up to the line of scrimmage and dance around beforehand.

One of the announcers said yesterday, "The Chiefs are bringing a blitz and they don't care who knows about it." I screamed and cursed.

htismaqe · 10-17-2005, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Heh. Young guy vs. Veteran... Vet wins.

We ran that blitz with a lot of success in pre-season, and haven't used Sapp on it much in the regular season (been using safeties instead). Coming free like that, he needs to make sure he gets the hit. Even so, I like that play, and hope we see more of it.

Sapp just need to remember to aim for the belt buckle. He came in a bit high is all.

B_Ambuehl · 10-17-2005, 11:04 AM

The Scanbacker also played the LOLB in the 3-4 a few times. One time he was matched up against a slot receiver and thank god washington didn't throw the ball cause boy he was mismatched.

Siavii also looked impressive on a couple of snaps. As bad as he looked in the preseason and in the earlier games I guess his knees were the culprit because it's now become evident Dick wasn't exactly lieing when he said Jr. is improving each and every game. If he continues at this pace he will be all pro caliber by next year.

**Mr. Kotter** · 10-17-2005, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

...Dick wasn't exactly lieing when he said Jr. is improving each and every game. If he continues at this pace he will be all pro caliber by next year.

I think that's a bit premature at this point.

10-17-2005, 09:15 AM
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3208491 VARSITY	Interesting substitutions on defense yesterday. I noticed Wilkerson at nose tackle in the 3-4 at least once. We were pulling Hicks on passing downs and moving Allen to the left side, with Hall on the right. (I know that was planned, so it's not too suprising.) I think I saw Allen at nose tackle in a 3-4 passing situation once, but I'm not sure. Just curious: why did Washington replace McCleon instead of Sapp? I would've expected the nickel back to become the starter in that situation. I saw Scanlon in on defense on the first series, playing RILB in the 3-4. I didn't see him much afterward. It looked like Griffin was in at ROLB in the 3-4 later in the game, with Bell presumably moving inside to RILB. This is all based on watching the game once without the benefit of TiVo or anything. Can anyone else confirm or refute these observations? What other interesting things did we see out there?
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10-17-2005, 09:19 AM	#2
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B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	The Scanbacker also played the LOLB in the 3-4 a few times. One time he was matched up against a slot receiver and thank god washington didn't throw the ball cause boy he was mismatched. Siavii also looked impressive on a couple of snaps. As bad as he looked in the preseason and in the earlier games I guess his knees were the culprit because it's now become evident Dick wasn't exactly lieing when he said Jr. is improving each and every game. If he continues at this pace he will be all pro caliber by next year. __________________ Who's decision was it to fire Romeo" - Coleman C Hunt: "It was my decision but it was one that Scott agreed with" LOL
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