NFL Draft Landry Jones > Geno Smith - Page 7

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-29-2012, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

It's true.

I only eat turkey bacon

Hog's Gone Fishin · 11-29-2012, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I only eat turkey bacon

Me Too !

BTW .I tried making some turkey bacon once but I couldn't get the Turkey to hold still long enough to get pregnant.

gta0012 · 12-14-2012, 12:13 AM

I still really like Aaron Murry but that's just me.

BryanBusby · 12-14-2012, 01:07 AM

lmfao

keg in kc · 12-14-2012, 02:45 AM

You want the best QB. Not the best bargain at QB. The Tom Brady's and Drew Brees' of the world are the exceptions that prove the rule. The only time you trade out of the top 5 is when you don't need a star QB. Teams that are already set can afford to gamble. But when you do need one, and you're sitting there in range to take your shot, you'd be ****ing insane to do anything else.

**RealSNR** · 12-14-2012, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

You want the best QB. Not the best bargain at QB. The Tom Brady's and Drew Brees' of the world are the exceptions that prove the rule. The only time you trade out of the top 5 is when you don't need a star QB. Teams that are already set can afford to gamble. But when you do need one, and you're sitting there in range to take your shot, you'd be ****ing insane to do anything else.

Or... what keg said.

NJChiefsFan · 12-14-2012, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

You want the best QB. Not the best bargain at QB. The Tom Brady's and Drew Brees' of the world are the exceptions that prove the rule. The only time you trade out of the top 5 is when you don't need a star QB. Teams that are already set can afford to gamble. But when you do need one, and you're sitting there in range to take your shot, you'd be ****ing insane to do anything else.

Well said. Less wordy then my post. It doesn't matter where the QB ranks compared to the other players on the board. If you need a QB, no other position should matter until you find one.

**RealSNR** · 12-14-2012, 02:45 AM

Back when I and many others were still trying to convince folks that Matt Cassel was ****ing dogshit, I made the comparison of QBs to watches. It still works.

If Andrew Luck is a gold-plated Rolex valued at $40,000 (or however much a brand new one goes for), then Matt Cassel is a $200 nickel-plated Seiko. Nothing against Seikos. They can be stylish, and they get the job done. But nobody is ever going to be impressed by one. They won't stick out. And they won't get you laid. Matt Cassel in particular was a Seiko that developed a faulty mechanism, the hands kept falling off, and wasn't water-proof. After two years it was evident the Chiefs had bought a piece of shit.

So what does this franchise (and its fans apparently) keep doing? They keep trying to find a "value" watch. This time they have an opportunity to get a nicer one, but they're still not looking at the ultra-expensive Rolexes. Even now they're looking at cheaper, not as high quality watches to see if they can find a bargain.

What the Chiefs need and have never had is a 24-karat gold monstrous ****er with diamonds, platinum, and a bunch of other expensive shit on it. Even now they're saying, "Gee, this knockoff Rolex brand has everything the more expensive real model does... well, at least it looks like it does from afar. And it's way less expensive!"

AussieChiefsFan · 12-14-2012, 05:34 AM

**the Talking Can** · 12-14-2012, 07:40 AM

30 years without a QB, and Chiefs fans are still worried about 'value'....

but we can get a six pack of 16oz Bud light AND a sixer of Michelob instead of the Three Floyds Zombie Dust!

**007** · 12-14-2012, 07:50 AM

There are no true number 1s in this draft. That is why the Chiefs need to just get the best QB with their pick.

**Lzen** · 12-14-2012, 10:03 AM

Was Hog Farmer drunk when he posted this thread?

**RealSNR** · 12-14-2012, 10:03 AM

Let's pretend that Jake Long IS breaking down, and that doctors will tell him to stop playing football as early as this year.

Then who was the last #1 overall pick to NOT be a giant bust and also a franchise player for their team for years to come? Meaning they have to play past their first contract.

Jake Long didn't (in this scenario). Mario Williams didn't. Courtney Brown didn't. Did Keyshawn Johnson?

htismaqe · 12-14-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Let's pretend that Jake Long IS breaking down, and that doctors will tell him to stop playing football as early as this year.

Then who was the last #1 overall pick to NOT be a giant bust and also a franchise player for their team for years to come? Meaning they have to play past their first contract.

Jake Long didn't (in this scenario). Mario Williams didn't. Courtney Brown didn't. Did Keyshawn Johnson?

This is it right here. The nail in the coffin for the idea of taking anything other than a QB.

**RealSNR** · 12-14-2012, 10:23 AM

The answer to my question, btw, is Orlando Pace in 1997.

These players who came before Pace did not receive 2nd contracts with the team that drafted them. Most of them were abject failures.

Yes, I realize this was a different era of football, but all that proves is that teams didn't value QBs as much as they do now. Drafting DTs and RBs if they were damn good was what you did. The number of non-QBs at the #1 overall spot shows this.

Keyshawn Johnson, 1996
Ki-Jana Carter, 1995
Dan Wilkinson, 1994
Steve Emtman, 1992
Russell Maryland, 1991

It isn't until you get into the 1980s that you see any kind of decent hit rate for non-QBs drafted #1 overall.

Aundray Brown, 1988 (bust)
Bo Jackson, 1986
Bruce Smith, 1985

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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $2200208	Back when I and many others were still trying to convince folks that Matt Cassel was **ing dogshit, I made the comparison of QBs to watches. It still works. If Andrew Luck is a gold-plated Rolex valued at $40,000 (or however much a brand new one goes for), then Matt Cassel is a $200 nickel-plated Seiko. Nothing against Seikos. They can be stylish, and they get the job done. But nobody is ever going to be impressed by one. They won't stick out. And they won't get you laid. Matt Cassel in particular was a Seiko that developed a faulty mechanism, the hands kept falling off, and wasn't water-proof. After two years it was evident the Chiefs had bought a piece of shit. So what does this franchise (and its fans apparently) keep doing? They keep trying to find a "value" watch. This time they have an opportunity to get a nicer one, but they're still not looking at the ultra-expensive Rolexes. Even now they're looking at cheaper, not as high quality watches to see if they can find a bargain. What the Chiefs need and have never had is a 24-karat gold monstrous **er with diamonds, platinum, and a bunch of other expensive shit on it. Even now they're saying, "Gee, this knockoff Rolex brand has everything the more expensive real model does... well, at least it looks like it does from afar. And it's way less expensive!"
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $2200208	The answer to my question, btw, is Orlando Pace in 1997. These players who came before Pace did not receive 2nd contracts with the team that drafted them. Most of them were abject failures. Yes, I realize this was a different era of football, but all that proves is that teams didn't value QBs as much as they do now. Drafting DTs and RBs if they were damn good was what you did. The number of non-QBs at the #1 overall spot shows this. Keyshawn Johnson, 1996 Ki-Jana Carter, 1995 Dan Wilkinson, 1994 Steve Emtman, 1992 Russell Maryland, 1991 It isn't until you get into the 1980s that you see any kind of decent hit rate for non-QBs drafted #1 overall. Aundray Brown, 1988 (bust) Bo Jackson, 1986 Bruce Smith, 1985
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