**** OFFICIAL 2013-2014 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread, Part 2 ****

[ArrowheadHawk]

#10 (23-8,14-4)

Players

Spoiler!

Returning Players
1 Naadir Tharpe Guard 5-11 170 Jr.
3 Andrew White III Guard 6-6 210 So.
4 Justin Wesley Forward 6-9 220 RS Sr.
10 Evan Manning Guard 6-3 170 So.
11 Tyler Self Guard 6-2 165 So.
20 Niko Roberts Guard 5-11 175 Sr.
21 Christian Garrett Guard 6-3 185 Jr.
31 Jamari Traylor Forward 6-8 220 RS So.
33 Landen Lucas Forward 6-10 240 RS Fr.
34 Perry Ellis Forward 6-8 225 So.

Incoming Class
SF ***** Wayne Selden
C ***** Joel Embiid
PG **** Conner Frankamp
SF **** Brannen Greene
PG **** Frank Mason
SF ***** Andrew Wiggins

Transfers
Hunter Mickelson
Tarik Black

Non Conference

Spoiler!

11/8/2013 Louisiana Monroe Lawrence, Kan. W(80-63) (1-0)
11/12/2013 Duke Chicago, Ill. W(94-83) (2-0)
11/19/2013 Iona Lawrence, Kan. W(86-66) (3-0)
11/22/2013 Towson W(88-58) (4-0)
11/28/2013 Wake Forest Paradise Island, Bahamas W(87-78) (5-0)
11/29/2013 Villanova Paradise Island, Bahamas L(59-63) (5-1)
11/30/2013 UTEP Paradise Island, Bahamas W(67-63) (6-1)
12/7/2013 Colorado Boulder, Colo. L(72-75) (6-2)
12/10/2013 Florida Gainesville, Fla. L(61-67) (6-3)
12/14/2013 New Mexico Kansas City, Mo. W(80-63)(7-3)
12/21/2013 Georgetown Lawrence, Kan. W(86-64)(8-3)
12/30/2013 Toledo Lawrence, Kan. W(93-83)(9-3)
1/5/2014 San Diego State Lawrence, Kan. L(57-61)(9-4)

Conference

Spoiler!

1/8/2014 Oklahoma Norman, Okla. W(90-83)(10-4,1-0)
1/11/2014 Kansas State Lawrence, Kan. W(86-60)(11-4,2-0)
1/13/2014 Iowa State Ames, Iowa W(77-70)(12-4,3-0)
1/18/2014 Oklahoma State Lawrence, Kan. W(80-78)(13-4,4-0)
1/20/2014 Baylor Lawrence, Kan. W(78-68)(14-4,5-0)
1/25/2014 TCU Fort Worth, Texas W(91-69)(15-4,6-0)
1/29/2014 Iowa State Lawrence, Kan. W(92-81)(16-4,7-0)
2/1/2014 Texas Austin, Texas L(69-81)(16-5,7-1)
2/4/2014 Baylor Waco, Texas W(69-52)(17-5,8-1)
2/8/2014 West Virginia Lawrence, Kan. W(83-69)(18-5,9-1)
2/10/2014 Kansas State Manhattan, Kan. L(82-85)(18-6,9-2)
2/15/2014 TCU Lawrence, Kan. W(95-65)(19-6,10-2)
2/18/2014 Texas Tech Lubbock, Texas W(64-63)(20-6,11-2)
2/22/2014 Texas Lawrence, Kan. W(85-54)(21-6,12-2)
2/24/2014 Oklahoma Lawrence, Kan. W(83-75)(22-6,13-2)
3/1/2014 Oklahoma State Stillwater, Okla. L(65-72)(22-7,13-3)
3/5/2014 Texas Tech Lawrence, Kan. W(82-57)(23-7,14-3)
3/8/2014 West Virginia Morgantown, W. Va. L(86-92)(23-8,14-4)

Big 12 Championship
3/13/2014 Texas Tech/Oklahoma State Kansas City, Mo. 2PM ESPN2

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Pants

FWIW, I can also clearly hear "You piece of cra-woooop." The last part of crap is muffled but the "You piece of" is clear as day.

As I said, I think I hear "piece of" too. But after that nothing. Certainly nothing in any way clear.

Who even uses the word "crap" anymore BTW? Maybe I just hang around with a different crowd, but it's always "shit" and not "crap" for me.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

As I said, I think I hear "piece of" too. But after that nothing. Certainly nothing in any way clear.

Who even uses the word "crap" anymore BTW? Maybe I just hang around with a different crowd, but it's always "shit" and not "crap" for me.

Now, I can't say I'm 100% sure he said "crap" there, however, if someone put a gun to my head and told me I had to get it right or die, I would have to go with "crap". It sounds like he said "You piece of crap" to me. Either way, it's a moot point to me. Getting physical with a dumbass fan for heckling is a no-no. Marcus let his team down when they were barely hanging on for survival.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Pants

Now, I can't say I'm 100% sure he said "crap" there, however, if someone put a gun to my head and told me I had to get it right or die, I would have to go with "crap". It sounds like he said "You piece of crap" to me.

If somebody held a gun to my head and asked me about it, I probably say I truly don't know. Might get my brains blown out I suppose, but at least I'd go down being honest. Just can't hear anything with certainty there.

Either way, it's a moot point to me. Getting physical with a dumbass fan for heckling is a no-no. Marcus let his team down when they were barely hanging on for survival.

Well, he's paying for it. So is the team.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

If somebody held a gun to my head and asked me about it, I probably say I don't know. Might get my brains blown out I suppose, but at least I'd go down being honest. Just can't hear anything with certainty there.

I can hear it with 85% certainty. I would have to take those odds with a gun to my head, which was the point I was trying to make in a very obtuse manner.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

This isn't the smoking gun you're looking for.

It's better than an assumption, in any case.

No, but the point was that most people don't like getting involved in situations where they see unacceptable behaviour and will do anything to avoid conflict. I believe psychologists call it the bystander effect.

That's not how the bystander effect works. The bystander effect is related to whether or not people will help a victim when the victim is in trouble. It is inversely related to the number of people present (so, the larger the number of people, the less likely people are to help), but that's because they assume that someone else is going to help, not necessarily because they want to avoid conflict. The smaller the number of people, the more likely it is that they will help because they feel that no one else will.

That's not exactly applicable here.

No, that hasn't happened. Nobody has come out publicly and made any such statement either way. The article you've cited doesn't give specifics of any kind in that regard and also comes from a source with a vested interest in not having the world know that some of their fans use racial slurs (as several other college players have come out in the last day to say). It's just about as credible as the inconclusive video they put out there that proves absolutely nothing about anything. The way it also seems to take the guy's side is also particularly embarrassing to me (such are the benefits of being a booster).

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. But the fact is that it wasn't ONLY Texas Tech people around there. Even if it were, that doesn't mean that they would ALL condone racial slurs and not say something. Texas Tech interviewed the people around there, and none said they heard a slur. We have the fan in question taking responsibility for his actions. And we have a video where even if you CAN'T hear "crap," there's no racial slur audible (I mean, who would say "You piece of racial slur!"; that doesn't make any sense).

I just don't understand why you believe something with zero evidence behind it. You don't even have to believe the other side. But it doesn't make much sense to believe something with no evidence whatsoever.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Who even uses the word "crap" anymore BTW? Maybe I just hang around with a different crowd, but it's always "shit" and not "crap" for me.

Maybe he's not actually a giant asshole, and he's just some dude that went too far, even if his "too far" was saying "crap."

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Silock

It's better than an assumption, in any case.

Still looks exactly like a he said/he said situation to me. I've seen no substantial evidence either way to this point that would sway me in either direction.

That's not how the bystander effect works. The bystander effect is related to whether or not people will help a victim when the victim is in trouble. It is inversely related to the number of people present (so, the larger the number of people, the less likely people are to help), but that's because they assume that someone else is going to help, not necessarily because they want to avoid conflict. The smaller the number of people, the more likely it is that they will help because they feel that no one else will.

That's not exactly applicable here.

I'm no social psychologist, but this does seem to sort of describe what I was talking about.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2...stander-effect

More than a third had witnessed racism in either a social setting, a workplace or a community sports club.

60 percent of those surveyed said racist jokes were never acceptable in the workplace. 23 percent would feel uncomfortable if they witnessed racism, but would do nothing.

In any case, I don't know enough about this particular theory to debate on it. Call it whatever you want, but I do know is that people are generally reluctant to act or get involved in something like this. It's not easy to confront racism, it takes a lot of courage.

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. But the fact is that it wasn't ONLY Texas Tech people around there.

I'm sure there weren't. That's precisely why I'd like to hear a statement from one of them. It would provide a more objective viewpoint here rather than Tech making biased, vague, less than credible statements about a supposed "investigation" that occurred over less than a 18 hour period.

And we have a video where even if you CAN'T hear "crap," there's no racial slur audible (I mean, who would say "You piece of racial slur!"; that doesn't make any sense).

Not only is there no racial slur audible, but nothing really is. As a result, it's a video that really means nothing at all. Of course, it should also be kept in mind the racial slur, if there was one, could have come after the initial provocation.

I just don't understand why you believe something with zero evidence behind it. You don't even have to believe the other side. But it doesn't make much sense to believe something with no evidence whatsoever.

I don't staunchly believe anything at this point. Not until something substantial leads me one way or the other. But I do think, based on all the circumstantial evidence we have available to us (Smart's very unusual reaction, the fan's immediate guilt after it happened about going too far, the statements from other players familiar with the fan, etc.) that the insult was probably something stronger than "piece of crap."

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Silock

Maybe he's not actually a giant asshole, and he's just some dude that went too far, even if his "too far" was saying "crap."

From what we've learned about him over the last day from others and the video we've seen of him making an obscene gesture at another player, I kind of doubt it.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I'm no social psychologist, but this does seem to sort of describe what I was talking about.

It's just not exactly applicable in this situation.

Call it whatever you want, but I do know is that people are generally reluctant to act or get involved in something like this. It's not easy to confront racism, it takes a lot of courage.

Maybe, but in this case, it would be easier, considering there are a rather large number of people looking for some kind of validation that he did say it. And it only takes ONE person. But there isn't even one.

I don't staunchly believe anything at this point.

Seems like you staunchly believe that the fan and Texas Tech are lying.

But I do think, based on all the circumstantial evidence we have available to us (Smart's very unusual reaction, the fan's immediate guilt after it happened about going too far, the statements from other players familiar with the fan, etc.) that the insult was probably something stronger than "piece of crap."

Again, this is purely assumption and has less substantiation than what you say you are not swayed by.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Silock

Maybe, but in this case, it would be easier, considering there are a rather large number of people looking for some kind of validation that he did say it. And it only takes ONE person. But there isn't even one.

Yep. So far, nobody has even made a direct statement publicly either way so I don't exactly take much of anything from that. It can be especially to take a stand if you're not 100% sure about what you heard (and several of them might not be judging by how difficult it was to hear whatever was said in that video).

Seems like you staunchly believe that the fan and Texas Tech are lying.

No, I just think they have a good reason to not tell the whole truth. Hence, I don't take what they've provided in their statements at face value. I still don't quite get the point of posting that completely inconclusive video either. Instead of admonishing what the fan did, it's almost as if they were putting it forward as some kind of half-baked defense of his actions.

Again, this is purely assumption and has less substantiation than what you say you are not swayed by.

Those aren't assumptions, though. Smart did actually react in a way he never has to any taunt before. The guy did actually send a text regretting that he went too far. And several other players have gone public to say this exact fan has said awful shit/made gestures to them on the court before. It all adds up in creating the picture of this situation. And without substantial evidence of any kind either way or a credible witness statement, that's all anybody has at this point.

[Reerun_KC]

Strange? What happen to the n word and Smarts white horse defenders? Is orr is the hospital yet for using a racial slur?

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Bambi

This is a trick question right?

You're crazy if you don't think this will be a tough game.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Dumb.

I agree. The league has to set a precedent. No matter how bad the fan was it is never a little more acceptable just because the fan said something bad.

KCC,
I don't have a problem with you normally but you Marcus Smart love has clouded your judgement. Unless, of course, you're always this moronic. In which case, I would just say carry on.

[Lzen]

I kind of agree with KCC in the fact that it is hard to discern what the fan said. But I will say this. In no way does it sound anywhere close to the supposed racial slur that everyone was getting in a huff about last night. It sounds like it may very well be that he said "you piece of crap". But I'm 99% sure that he didn't call him anything racist. Of course, people won't learn from this incident. Just like they didn't learn from the Duke Lacrosse incident and on and on.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Lzen

KCC,
I don't have a problem with you normally but you Marcus Smart love has clouded your judgement. Unless, of course, you're always this moronic. In which case, I would just say carry on.

Address specifically what you had a problem with in my arguments. What exactly do you disagree with? I've said Smart deserved a suspension, my only thing is that there needs to be accountability for the fan's actions too (no matter what the insult was).

As for my bias, sure, I can admit it. It's there and it's not going away. But I'm debating with a bunch of people on here who have had a hate on for Marcus Smart all season. You could easily make exactly same statement for them.