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'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2013, 12:57 AM

Welcome, 'Hamas' Jenkins.
You last visited: 01-08-2012 at 07:08 PM

Hi all. I’m sure that a lot of you missed me and more of you didn’t. To some, this post will be like a herpes outbreak. To others it may be something more pleasant, like scabies. I’m going to break my return into two separate threads. One is a football reflection thread; the other will be life updates that I know some of you would like info on.

My takes on 2012:

***** has finally been mother****ed. Thank you Clark. That sump pump of Patriot Way shit was half Millen, half Mussolini.

What a gloriously inept ****bath. My hope is that looking back in several years we will consider ourselves extremely lucky for the shitstorm ***** was awful enough to create for us. I think you could make a fair case that ***** did one of the five worst jobs in NFL history. Staggering that the man was handed four future Pro Bowlers who were under 24 years old when he got here, had the #3 and #34 picks and, over the course of four drafts, with tens of millions in cap room, added only Justin Houston, Eric Berry, and a swath of middling to replacement-level starters. It’s rare that you see such a thorough refutation of a professional philosophy. *****’s resume as a talent evaluator is as barren as his hairline.

However, we were by no means the least talented team in the league. This year was an aberration due to extremely poor coaching and bad (actually good) luck. I think that people often overlook the effect of small sample sizes in football. Matt Cassel’s 2010 is a great example. He threw a ton of passes that should have been intercepted. Luckily , for his worthless ass, they weren’t. Luck swung the other way this year (thanks, Dex!!), and although it was rarely the difference in any one game, I think those breaks contributed to the psychological defeatism that helped crush the team’s spirit. The fumbles that bounced our way and the picks that weren’t caught in 2010 caught up to the team in 2012. The 2011 Chiefs were also preposterously lucky on a game –to-game basis, even if they were quite unlucky from an injury perspective (their Pythag. W-L was 4-12 in 2011 despite an actual record of 7-9). Although it would have been nice to be incredibly unlucky in 2012, picking #1 this year is far better than picking #6 this year and then hanging out in the no-man’s land of 5-11-8-8.

Aside from the tenure of the worst GM in franchise history, things are looking up, and not only because the Chiefs are trading as a penny stock.
Andy Reid is a very good coach. He’s not a great coach, but he’s good enough. What worries me is the propensity of fans to always make a fallacious appeal to authority. It happened with ***** and the Executive of the Decade/You’re not a GM line of refutation, and while lurking I saw similar sentiments about Reid and quarterbacks. That’s where I think we’ll get into trouble. Reid is a much better coach than he is a talent evaluator. Just because he got the most out of McNabb, Vick, or Kolb doesn’t mean that he will automatically pick the best QB. The key is to get the most talented guy and get the most out of him, not blindly trust the GM or coach because they are the GM or coach. Jerry Reese has made terrible picks, Bill Belichick has made boneheaded decisions on the sideline and they are tremendous at their jobs. Football lifers aren’t sacrosanct. Far too many people carried water for Herm, Haley, and ***** in spite of their better judgment because of who they were believed to be. I’m not some oracle because I soured on *****; I just happened to be right in that instance. Conversely, I was way off on Vernon Gholston, Jimmy Clausen, and (*tear*) most likely, Blaine Gabbert. This site functions best when we can have lively discussion based upon posting and support of relevant claims. It’s at its worst when it’s a hive mind blindly following an imperative because someone else told them to.

I hope tonight killed any remaining holdouts of the “Draft Te’o” camp. Geno Smith is, IMO, the only sensible option. It doesn’t mean that he’s risk free, almost no one is (look at RGIII, even). If Geno is worth taking at 12 he’s worth taking at 1. We had the worst record in the league; we have 29 wins since 2006. Even if Geno is a coinflip to be a franchise QB, and he may only be that, that’s a risk worth taking. Honestly, it’s a risk worth taking if he’s only a 1:4 chance.

I don’t really care if we switch to the 4-3, because I think Houston can play the Von Miller role in such a defense, thus obviating the issue of having two undersized DEs.

Offseason Priorities should be:
1) Re-sign Albert. Stephenson looked nice at first then degraded to piss awful.

2) Re-sign Bowe. He is our passing offense

3) Avoid overpaying for secondary help. Secondary players rarely provide surplus value in their second contracts. A reclamation project may be worth looking into, but signing DRC would scare me.

4) Find a slot receiver who we’ll actually play who can actually play. Wylie and McCluster are fodder. Breaston probably wants out and I can’t blame him. Baldwin is the epitome of Scott *****. “Tom [Dimitroff], I wouldn’t trade up for Julio Jones, [Baldwin] is just as good as him.”

5) Draw and quarter Winston at the draft party. I don’t care if we sign the guy who injects Winstrol into Jordan Black’s ass. I hate him.
Draft Priorities:

Aside from QB at #1, I think we can find solid secondary and WR depth in rounds 2-4. That said, there are a ton of potential players that we shouldn’t pass up merely because we hope that a certain player could get it.

Ultimately, the title of this post says it all. It’s nice to be back.

God-**** Tebow and Draft Geno.

lcarus · 01-08-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

'Hamas' is ****ing awesome.

When he died last year, a part of this place died.

I woke up with a huge boner today and the first thing I did was read this thread...so now I know why I got the boner. It was this thread calling to me.

Wait til I leave and come back. Your boner will shatter dimensions.

**Buehler445** · 01-08-2013, 02:44 PM

Agree with all your football ideas. I'm still nervous about the QB. I feel the same, just because Reid can make a bad QB not so bad doesn't mean we should get a bad QB. We need a BAMF QB and let Reid make him more BAMF.

Did you post a life thread? I haven't seen it.

**Buehler445** · 01-08-2013, 02:45 PM

Agree with all your football ideas. I'm still nervous about the QB. I feel the same, just because Reid can make a bad QB not so bad doesn't mean we should get a bad QB. We need a BAMF QB and let Reid make him more BAMF.

Did you post a life thread? I haven't seen it.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-08-2013, 02:47 PM

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5) Draw and quarter Winston at the draft party. I don’t care if we sign the guy who injects Winstrol into Jordan Black’s ass. I hate him.

****in' A. Welcome back, brah.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-08-2013, 04:43 PM

**SAUTO** · 01-08-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Who gives a shit about the football takes, how are the kids?

this

**Ming the Merciless** · 01-08-2013, 04:49 PM

Welcome Back, and I hope you bring a spark back to this shit franchise

2012 was So awful......

Thank god you are back, if we start kicking ass I'll probably look at you like a good luck charm or something

Then again its the Cheaps who am I kidding....

We will suck for eternity.

FML

RustShack · 01-08-2013, 04:50 PM

I'm OK with Winston defending his QB, as long as its Geno going forward and he goes back to his being the top RT in the NFL ways.

**Ming the Merciless** · 01-08-2013, 04:52 PM

Also did we get any pics of the babies as an update or did i miss another thread???????

lcarus · 01-08-2013, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack

I'm OK with Winston defending his QB, as long as its Geno going forward and he goes back to his being the top RT in the NFL ways.

I actually can forgive Winston too. He's a decent RT and anyone that can be that defensive of Matt ****ing Cassel is a guy I want to protect Geno (or whoever else we get at QB).

chiefzilla1501 · 01-08-2013, 05:17 PM

Wow, pretty much nailed it on all fronts. For the record, we argued in the past on pioli and cassel and I was unbelievably wrong. On Andy Reid, I fullheartedly agree with you. Think we get a phenomenal coach at coaching up players who we run the risk of giving too much power to pick personnel and who has a history of frequently shooting himself In the foot with game management. Great post.

**AustinChief** · 01-08-2013, 05:48 PM

About damn time, I've had to double my level of asshole to make up for your absence! Now I can finally go back to my normal genial self!

crazycoffey · 01-08-2013, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief

About damn time, I've had to double my level of asshole to make up for your absence! Now I can finally go back to my normal genial self!

2 times 0 is still 0

Nightfyre · 01-08-2013, 05:57 PM

since the #1 pick is widely a consensus, I think the draftabulators should beat each other up over the 2nd round pick. I'll start by proposing Xavier Rhodes and we can go from there.

Al Bundy · 01-08-2013, 06:07 PM

Hi Hamas.

01-08-2013, 12:57 AM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	Welp, I've returned. Welcome, 'Hamas' Jenkins. You last visited: 01-08-2012 at 07:08 PM Hi all. I’m sure that a lot of you missed me and more of you didn’t. To some, this post will be like a herpes outbreak. To others it may be something more pleasant, like scabies. I’m going to break my return into two separate threads. One is a football reflection thread; the other will be life updates that I know some of you would like info on. My takes on 2012: *** has finally been mothered. Thank you Clark. That sump pump of Patriot Way shit was half Millen, half Mussolini. What a gloriously inept bath. My hope is that looking back in several years we will consider ourselves extremely lucky for the shitstorm * was awful enough to create for us. I think you could make a fair case that * did one of the five worst jobs in NFL history. Staggering that the man was handed four future Pro Bowlers who were under 24 years old when he got here, had the #3 and #34 picks and, over the course of four drafts, with tens of millions in cap room, added only Justin Houston, Eric Berry, and a swath of middling to replacement-level starters. It’s rare that you see such a thorough refutation of a professional philosophy. *’s resume as a talent evaluator is as barren as his hairline. However, we were by no means the least talented team in the league. This year was an aberration due to extremely poor coaching and bad (actually good) luck. I think that people often overlook the effect of small sample sizes in football. Matt Cassel’s 2010 is a great example. He threw a ton of passes that should have been intercepted. Luckily , for his worthless ass, they weren’t. Luck swung the other way this year (thanks, Dex!!), and although it was rarely the difference in any one game, I think those breaks contributed to the psychological defeatism that helped crush the team’s spirit. The fumbles that bounced our way and the picks that weren’t caught in 2010 caught up to the team in 2012. The 2011 Chiefs were also preposterously lucky on a game –to-game basis, even if they were quite unlucky from an injury perspective (their Pythag. W-L was 4-12 in 2011 despite an actual record of 7-9). Although it would have been nice to be incredibly unlucky in 2012, picking #1 this year is far better than picking #6 this year and then hanging out in the no-man’s land of 5-11-8-8. Aside from the tenure of the worst GM in franchise history, things are looking up, and not only because the Chiefs are trading as a penny stock. Andy Reid is a very good coach. He’s not a great coach, but he’s good enough. What worries me is the propensity of fans to always make a fallacious appeal to authority. It happened with * and the Executive of the Decade/You’re not a GM line of refutation, and while lurking I saw similar sentiments about Reid and quarterbacks. That’s where I think we’ll get into trouble. Reid is a much better coach than he is a talent evaluator. Just because he got the most out of McNabb, Vick, or Kolb doesn’t mean that he will automatically pick the best QB. The key is to get the most talented guy and get the most out of him, not blindly trust the GM or coach because they are the GM or coach. Jerry Reese has made terrible picks, Bill Belichick has made boneheaded decisions on the sideline and they are tremendous at their jobs. Football lifers aren’t sacrosanct. Far too many people carried water for Herm, Haley, and * in spite of their better judgment because of who they were believed to be. I’m not some oracle because I soured on **; I just happened to be right in that instance. Conversely, I was way off on Vernon Gholston, Jimmy Clausen, and (tear) most likely, Blaine Gabbert. This site functions best when we can have lively discussion based upon posting and support of relevant claims. It’s at its worst when it’s a hive mind blindly following an imperative because someone else told them to. I hope tonight killed any remaining holdouts of the “Draft Te’o” camp. Geno Smith is, IMO, the only sensible option. It doesn’t mean that he’s risk free, almost no one is (look at RGIII, even). If Geno is worth taking at 12 he’s worth taking at 1. We had the worst record in the league; we have 29 wins since 2006. Even if Geno is a coinflip to be a franchise QB, and he may only be that, that’s a risk worth taking. Honestly, it’s a risk worth taking if he’s only a 1:4 chance. I don’t really care if we switch to the 4-3, because I think Houston can play the Von Miller role in such a defense, thus obviating the issue of having two undersized DEs. Offseason Priorities should be: 1) Re-sign Albert. Stephenson looked nice at first then degraded to piss awful. 2) Re-sign Bowe. He is our passing offense 3) Avoid overpaying for secondary help. Secondary players rarely provide surplus value in their second contracts. A reclamation project may be worth looking into, but signing DRC would scare me. 4) Find a slot receiver who we’ll actually play who can actually play. Wylie and McCluster are fodder. Breaston probably wants out and I can’t blame him. Baldwin is the epitome of Scott **. “Tom [Dimitroff], I wouldn’t trade up for Julio Jones, [Baldwin] is just as good as him.” 5) Draw and quarter Winston at the draft party. I don’t care if we sign the guy who injects Winstrol into Jordan Black’s ass. I hate him. Draft Priorities: Aside from QB at #1, I think we can find solid secondary and WR depth in rounds 2-4. That said, there are a ton of potential players that we shouldn’t pass up merely because we hope that a certain player could get it. Ultimately, the title of this post says it all. It’s nice to be back. God-** Tebow and Draft Geno.
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Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $2324734	Agree with all your football ideas. I'm still nervous about the QB. I feel the same, just because Reid can make a bad QB not so bad doesn't mean we should get a bad QB. We need a BAMF QB and let Reid make him more BAMF. Did you post a life thread? I haven't seen it.
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01-08-2013, 02:45 PM	#153
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $2324734	Agree with all your football ideas. I'm still nervous about the QB. I feel the same, just because Reid can make a bad QB not so bad doesn't mean we should get a bad QB. We need a BAMF QB and let Reid make him more BAMF. Did you post a life thread? I haven't seen it.
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Ming the Merciless Emporer of Mongo Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Milky Way Casino cash: $2957556	Welcome Back, and I hope you bring a spark back to this shit franchise 2012 was So awful...... Thank god you are back, if we start kicking ass I'll probably look at you like a good luck charm or something Then again its the Cheaps who am I kidding.... We will suck for eternity. FML __________________ ---- 2018 Adopt-A-Chief : Chris Conley 2017 Adopt-A-Chief : FRANK ZOMBO Click here-->*The Holy Chiefsplanet Lexicon **
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Ming the Merciless Emporer of Mongo Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Milky Way Casino cash: $2957556	Also did we get any pics of the babies as an update or did i miss another thread??????? __________________ ---- 2018 Adopt-A-Chief : Chris Conley 2017 Adopt-A-Chief : FRANK ZOMBO Click here-->*The Holy Chiefsplanet Lexicon **
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $2114497	Wow, pretty much nailed it on all fronts. For the record, we argued in the past on pioli and cassel and I was unbelievably wrong. On Andy Reid, I fullheartedly agree with you. Think we get a phenomenal coach at coaching up players who we run the risk of giving too much power to pick personnel and who has a history of frequently shooting himself In the foot with game management. Great post.
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Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $3648849	since the #1 pick is widely a consensus, I think the draftabulators should beat each other up over the 2nd round pick. I'll start by proposing Xavier Rhodes and we can go from there.
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