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Old 08-01-2009, 11:10 AM   #1
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Why don't we discuss something a little more important than his ****ing deep ball.

Like his hugely wide shotgun and under center splits, frankly those stats say he sucks from center, that is a huge issue that he has to work on.

I don't see why pointing out flaws that he has to improve upon gets some kind of venomous reaction. He's not a top QB right now obviously he has flaws he has to work on, calm the hell down.
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i could give a shit about the splits, they were due IMO to the fact that whhen he had a 5-7 step drop the DEs were hitting him when his back foot hit the ground. all one has to do is watch the jets games. several times cassel hit his back foot and stepped up immediately only to have both DEs run right into one another. hell the announcers were even laughing about it by the end of the game.
I also think that, unless a rookie QB or first year starter, has a really strong running game to support him, they'll all work better from the shotgun than they do under center.

It's the most difficult position to learn and excel at in football.

As time passes and a QB gets more comfortable and his game becomes more instinctive, he'll improve under center.
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Old 08-01-2009, 11:06 AM   #2
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and to say he's not a top qb right now is funny shit. where did he rank among Qbs last year?
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Old 08-01-2009, 11:11 AM   #3
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and to say he's not a top qb right now is funny shit. where did he rank among Qbs last year?
I wouldn't go that far, but I think he does have some potential.
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:04 PM   #4
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and to say he's not a top qb right now is funny shit. where did he rank among Qbs last year?
In reality last years stats are questionable to say the least. He played "good" in a great situation. He is a one year starter going back to high school. I really do not see how anyone looking at him objectively can feel certain he is a top flight QB.

The Chiefs GM clearly believes in him and he has first hand knowledge of him. There have been QBs that come out of nowhere but every time they were surrounded with great talent. Time will tell but IMO the jury is still out.
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In reality last years stats are questionable to say the least. He played "good" in a great situation. He is a one year starter going back to high school. I really do not see how anyone looking at him objectively can feel certain he is a top flight QB.

The Chiefs GM clearly believes in him and he has first hand knowledge of him. There have been QBs that come out of nowhere but every time they were surrounded with great talent. Time will tell but IMO the jury is still out.
i'm not certain. but based on last years stats(which is right now) he's a top 10 qb right?
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i'm not certain. but based on last years stats(which is right now) he's a top 10 qb right?
No IMO he is going under center with a vastly inferior team and I believe several backups could have played as well as he did last year in that situation. The thing you have going for you is the owner and GM disagree with me. Them against a football fan on a message board. It is a safe bet they know more than I do. I think he is a reach they don't, time will tell.
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:17 PM   #7
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No IMO he is going under center with a vastly inferior team and I believe several backups could have played as well as he did last year in that situation. The thing you have going for you is the owner and GM disagree with me. Them against a football fan on a message board. It is a safe bet they know more than I do. I think he is a reach they don't, time will tell.
Damn that sounds like something I said...

Either way I can not believe I am having an argument that involves someone trying to say Matt Cassel is better than Eli Manning.

I don't even think most people on this forum would agree with that.
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:19 PM   #8
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No IMO he is going under center with a vastly inferior team and I believe several backups could have played as well as he did last year in that situation. The thing you have going for you is the owner and GM disagree with me. Them against a football fan on a message board. It is a safe bet they know more than I do. I think he is a reach they don't, time will tell.
well this IS coming from a raider fan correct?
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Jason thinks Matt Cassel is a franchise top 5 in the league QB apparently....Now that is funny shit.
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Old 08-01-2009, 11:10 AM   #10
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Jason thinks Matt Cassel is a franchise top 5 in the league QB apparently....Now that is funny shit.
are you ****ing stupid? why make shit up? i never said anything remotely close to that. i actually think he is a top 10 though. where did he rank last year again?
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He's not a top 10 QB....which even still he's not an elite QB which means he has flaws to work on.

I don't get why you are flipping the **** out when someone says he has things to work on. You'd think the man has no flaws the way you defend everything about him.
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He's not a top 10 QB....which even still he's not an elite QB which means he has flaws to work on.

I don't get why you are flipping the **** out when someone says he has things to work on. You'd think the man has no flaws the way you defend everything about him.
never said that either, you and others just say things that you have obviously read, not seen. and i would say that there are only about 2-3 ELITE level QBs in the game right now, and thats if brady comes back the same. so yeah top 10 is pretty ****ing good.
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I wouldn't put him in the top 10 because frankly 1 year isn't a career or enough to put him ahead of consistent year in and year out performers.
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I wouldn't put him in the top 10 because frankly 1 year isn't a career or enough to put him ahead of consistent year in and year out performers.
what the **** ever man, and i bet you still would call carson palmer a franchise top 10 qb right? nevermind you probably wont admit to it now that i've asked
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I wouldn't put him in the top 10 because frankly 1 year isn't a career or enough to put him ahead of consistent year in and year out performers.
Out of curiosity, who would be your top 10 QBs?
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