***Rumor*** Pioli gets fired if Chiefs Lose in Tampa.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Actually, it's a special exception in KC because Pioli doesn't have a College Scouting Director.

If you fire Pioli after the season ends, you pretty much **** yourself over for the draft. If you hire a replacement today, you can still get a new GM that can collect enough information leading into the 2013 draft.

I don't know. Just trying to see a bright side, but I'm skeptical.

Yeah, because no one can figure out who to draft without a CSD.



In an era were 40 million guys on the internet can accurately guess who's going in each round, a guy like this is highly overrated.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, because no one can figure out who to draft without a CSD.



In an era were 40 million guys on the internet can accurately guess who's going in each round, a guy like this is highly overrated.

Dane, please tell me you're not going to go the route of undermining professional scouts and comparing them to a bunch of douche bags with a computer.

CSD's are critical. Saying they're not important is saying that a bunch of talented entry level employees can function well without a manager. And that the manager is overrated.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Dane, please tell me you're not going to go the route of undermining professional scouts and comparing them to a bunch of douche bags with a computer.

CSD's are critical. Saying they're not important is saying that a bunch of talented entry level employees can function well without a manager. And that the manager is overrated.

A bunch of talented entry level employees can function well without a manager. and the manager is overrated. Managers are dickheads who take credit for other people's work.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Brock

A bunch of talented entry level employees can function well without a manager. and the manager is overrated. Managers are dickheads who take credit for other people's work.

Then you are either unmanageable or a shitty manager.

This is completely oblivious to the way the real world works. Most of us have been managed by a shitty manager and a very good manager, and those who have know the difference. Those who manage people know it's a very difficult job.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Then you are either unmanageable or a shitty manager.

This is completely oblivious to the way the real world works. Most of us have been managed by a shitty manager and a very good manager, and those who have know the difference. Those who manage people know it's a very difficult job.

Yeah, I've had plenty of good managers. they stay in their office, get me what I need, and stay the **** out of my way. The worst managers are always the ones who actually try to manage. They're talentless hacks, that's why they're managers.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Brock

Yeah, I've had plenty of good managers. they stay in their office, get me what I need, and stay the **** out of my way. The worst managers are always the ones who actually try to manage. They're talentless hacks, that's why they're managers.

Then you've never had a good manager. Or you're unmanageable.

Managers aren't talentless hacks. Good managers are hard to find, and a lot of them suck.

In the case of a College Scouting Director, you have dozens of scouts trying to jockey for the 5 minutes of time Scott Pioli has to devote to them. These scouts are going to get their asses handed to them if Pioli passes on a good prospect in their territory, or if they make a wrong recommendation. These scouts recruit exactly the player that your CSD asks you to scout -- they work off of a very specific "playbook." The CSD is incredibly organized and makes sure the scouting operation is well run, that all the players have been thoroughly evaluated, and no stone is left unturned. And ultimately, they have to rifle through thousands of reports and make a very accurate read to Pioli in bullet points.

Maybe no team should have a college scouting director, since they're so unimportant and talentless. Or maybe NFL executives know a little bit more about how to run a team than a few of us sitting on our laptops.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Then you've never had a good manager. Or you're unmanageable.

Managers aren't talentless hacks. Good managers are hard to find, and a lot of them suck.

You don't know what you're talking about. Managers are riders on the wagon I'm pulling, nothing more, and the more of your nonsense I read, the more convinced I become that you're one of these useless hacks. I don't konw what burger joint you're managing, but I work in a technical environment where the worker knows what the job is and the best way to do it, and I don't need some suit giving me pointers when he sounds like a lost child who wandered into a movie theater. Just go have your cigarette and let me get the job done.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Dane, please tell me you're not going to go the route of undermining professional scouts and comparing them to a bunch of douche bags with a computer.

Yeah, I am.

When ****ing idiots like Walter can get 90% of the first rounder nailed, I think it's a bunch of bullshit.

Every year, the draft pretty much plays out like the internet draftniks predict. Then, when a player doesn't pan out, people give GM's a ****ing PASS!

"Well, everyone rated him highly." "He wasn't a reach". "Who else should he have taken?". Etc. and so on.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

CSD's are critical. Saying they're not important is saying that a bunch of talented entry level employees can function well without a manager. And that the manager is overrated.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: IT'S ****ING FOOTBALL!

These kids have been scouted as far back as 7th GRADE! Most people have a good idea of where these guys should go, then the Combine pretty much cements it.

As a matter of fact, I'm not even sure why scouts are sent out because outside of a very few players each year, nothing is solidified until AFTER the Combines where guys are interviewed and tested.

Again, it's ****ing football, not rocket science. Jim Schaaf drafted excellent players for years but couldn't hire a coach for shit. And you want to tell me that he scouted colleges all over the country?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, I am.

When ****ing idiots like Walter can get 90% of the first rounder nailed, I think it's a bunch of bullshit.

Every year, the draft pretty much plays out like the internet draftniks predict. Then, when a player doesn't pan out, people give GM's a ****ing PASS!

"Well, everyone rated him highly." "He wasn't a reach". "Who else should he have taken?". Etc. and so on.

When Carl Peterson was GM, they used to always say he controlled the first round and sometimes the second round. Beyond that, Chuck Cook was the only guy making the decisions. Of course draftniks will get the first round right. But that's not where scouts make their living. If you're a GM and can't draft better than Walter Football in the first round, you should be fired.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: IT'S ****ING FOOTBALL!

These kids have been scouted as far back as 7th GRADE! Most people have a good idea of where these guys should go, then the Combine pretty much cements it

As a matter of fact, I'm not even sure why scouts are sent out because outside of a very few players each year, nothing is solidified until AFTER the Combines where guys are interviewed and tested.

This couldn't be more wrong. Most good teams walk into the combine with a good idea of what they're looking for. The combine is there to find any positive or negative surprises. And combine interviews almost don't matter anymore. They're so coached up that even dumbass Terrell Pryor sounds halfway intelligent. Field scouts are tremendous at working their networks to really learn about a player's character and leadership. And when a player has a freakish combine performance, the field scouts have the evaluation to say that it's a complete fluke. I don't think it's a secret that the combine is incredibly overrated and that good teams rely a lot less on it.

Again, it's ****ing football, not rocket science. Jim Schaaf drafted excellent players for years but couldn't hire a coach for shit. And you want to tell me that he scouted colleges all over the country?

If Jim Schaaf was a good drafter, then that's a credit to his scouting network.
You don't think the Patriots noticed a huge difference when they lost Thomas Dimitroff, and then magically became better when Caserio took over? You didn't notice how absolutely shitty the Chiefs drafted when Lynn Stiles was their personnel guy, and how much better it became when Kuharich took his place? Hell, Pioli went through the whole combine in 2009 -- you think that was a replacement for having a full year with your scouts?