Ellen Page is gay

[Donger]

Originally Posted by patteeu

"I'm proud of it" doesn't mean "I've accomplished something" in this context. It means "I'm not ashamed of the fact that I'm gay" and it's probably more about speaking to others who are afraid to come out and offering to be a role model for them than it is about anything self-focused.

Then that is what they should say.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Donger

Then that is what they should say.

That's what they are saying. I'm sorry you don't like the words they chose, but I'm not having any trouble understanding them.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by patteeu

That's what they are saying. I'm sorry you don't like the words they chose, but I'm not having any trouble understanding them.

It really isn't a question of liking or disliking the words. It's a question of the words being accurate. But, I realize that I'm somewhat of a stickler when it comes to that.

In the big scheme of things, another announcement like this doesn't change anything, other than now everyone who has heard about it knows that she's homosexual. I doubt that anyone's opinion on the subject is going to be altered in the slightest. The people who approve of homosexuality are going to cheer. The people who are ambivalent will remain ambivalent. Those who disapprove are going to continue to disapprove.

[Canofbier]

Originally Posted by Donger

It really isn't a question of liking or disliking the words. It's a question of the words being accurate. But, I realize that I'm somewhat of a stickler when it comes to that.

In the big scheme of things, another announcement like this doesn't change anything, other than now everyone who has heard about it knows that she's homosexual. I doubt that anyone's opinion on the subject is going to be altered in the slightest. The people who approve of homosexuality are going to cheer. The people who are ambivalent will remain ambivalent. Those who disapprove are going to continue to disapprove.

As others have said: the point is probably not to change anybody's mind, but to affect the emotions of those who haven't figured it out yet.

Assuming that an undecided person respected her prior to her announcement:

If they're even possibly gay, there's a chance that her announcement makes them feel more comfortable with themselves (instead of acquiescing to the decreasingly popular opinion that they are abominations). They'll feel more enabled to live their lives in a way that makes them happy.

If they're definitely not gay, they may develop the opinion that sexuality is not a defining factor in a person's life or career, and will be less likely to judge an individual on that information.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Canofbier

As others have said: the point is probably not to change anybody's mind, but to affect the emotions of those who haven't figured it out yet.

Assuming that an undecided person respected her prior to her announcement:

If they're even possibly gay, there's a chance that her announcement makes them feel more comfortable with themselves (instead of acquiescing to the decreasingly popular opinion that they are abominations). They'll feel more enabled to live their lives in a way that makes them happy.

If they're definitely not gay, they may develop the opinion that sexuality is not a defining factor in a person's life or career, and will be less likely to judge an individual on that information.

Undecided? About how they view homosexuality?

[Canofbier]

Originally Posted by Donger

Undecided? About how they view homosexuality?

Correct.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Canofbier

Correct.

And you think those people are plentiful?

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Donger

It really isn't a question of liking or disliking the words. It's a question of the words being accurate. But, I realize that I'm somewhat of a stickler when it comes to that.

Then maybe you should consult a dictionary and find out what the word means. Let me know if you still think you're right.

Originally Posted by Donger

In the big scheme of things, another announcement like this doesn't change anything, other than now everyone who has heard about it knows that she's homosexual. I doubt that anyone's opinion on the subject is going to be altered in the slightest. The people who approve of homosexuality are going to cheer. The people who are ambivalent will remain ambivalent. Those who disapprove are going to continue to disapprove.

I think something does change in the big scheme. If no one ever admits being gay the world is a much different place than if it's a common occurrence. On drip of water doesn't look like it changes the rock it lands on, but eventually, if those drips continue, they do change the rock.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Then maybe you should consult a dictionary and find out what the word means. Let me know if you still think you're right.

Just checked. Yep, not ashamed and pride are two different words.

Originally Posted by patteeu

I think something does change in the big scheme. If no one ever admits being gay the world is a much different place than if it's a common occurrence. On drip of water doesn't look like it changes the rock it lands on, but eventually, if those drips continue, they do change the rock.

And I'm aware that is being done. Pushing the approval of homosexuality is part of the public school curriculum.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Donger

And I'm aware that is being done. Pushing the approval of homosexuality is part of the public school curriculum.

@ the subtextual dissatisfaction, especially using "pushing."

[Donger]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

@ the subtextual dissatisfaction, especially using "pushing."

Okay, is "promoting" better?

Do you dispute that promoting acceptance of homosexuality is the norm in public schools today (and has been for some time)?

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Donger

Just checked. Yep, not ashamed and pride are two different words.

I'm actually talking about your apparent belief that an accomplishment is required for "proud" to be an appropriate word to use. It isn't. Her statement was fine even if we're sticklers.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I'm actually talking about your apparent belief that an accomplishment is required for "proud" to be an appropriate word to use. It isn't. Her statement was fine even if we're sticklers.

Do you agree that not all things that are accomplished are positive?