My theory on why we are bad against the bootlege: hint it is the DTs - Page 4

Logical · 08-12-2006, 11:14 PM

That is right because we get no push up the middle from the DTs the DEs have to crash. Proper technique is to rush straight for about 2 yards then crash. If we do that the QB will get all the time in the world and the bootleg won't even be an issue because we will have no pressure at all.

JMHO

Hammock Parties · 08-13-2006, 12:16 PM

Ok, well, admittedly I was only talking about the first couple of series.

hypersensitiveZO6 · 08-13-2006, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Me either.

I think I would ammend that statement to say when our 1st string was in, the receivers were covered well. But after that, there were guys open every time.

Pretty much.

hypersensitiveZO6 · 08-13-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Ok, well, admittedly I was only talking about the first couple of series.

I want to see the secondary vs. a non mobile, drop back in the pocket-type QB.

This game was tough to get a read on the secondary.

The texans offense is very limited.

Logical · 08-13-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

OK, if you watched it, you would realize that the DTs running straight upfield is not the solution.

The entire O-line is flowing in the opposite direction of the bootleg. To run straight upfield is to completely ignore the O-line's blocking scheme, which means every time the hand off is real rather than fake, the RB is going to kill us.

My point remains. It had nothing (or very little) to do with the DTs.

That is not what I said, I said there inability to get push meant the only way to pressure the QB is to crash the DEs right away making us more vulnerable to the bootleg because they are not playing rush contain like DE should.

Logical · 08-13-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

The comforting thing was that no receivers were getting open off the play action.

If Denver wants to run Plummer 10 times a game, we'll kill him.

Demonpenz · 08-13-2006, 12:47 PM

who exactly is going to kill plummer?

stevieray · 08-13-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

who exactly is going to kill plummer?

Tamba Hali. Ever see the guy reverse direction off a block?

Logical · 08-13-2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

Tamba Hali. Ever see the guy reverse direction off a block?

I have never seen him play, when did you get a chance?

CoMoChief · 08-13-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Logical

ON both points we agree. Worse yet Herm kept him.

As far as I can see it was Herm's only bad coaching decision but I wonder if it was somewhat pushed on him by Carl.

I highly doubt that is the issue. Gun was wanted by Edwards to coach his defense in New York Jets. The Falcons were also in the mix the year we re-hired him as DC. Why wouldnt Herm want him now when he wanted him just a couple seasons ago?

stevieray · 08-13-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Logical

I have never seen him play, when did you get a chance?

highlight reels..he'll crash in and engage the block, then sprint back out into the flat when the QB scrambles, and make the play...hence the motor descriptions.

Unlike EH, who seems to be done after contact.

htismaqe · 08-13-2006, 01:15 PM

I watched the first 3 series' over and over again just now.

The problem with the bootleg is ERIC HICKS.

Plain and simple, Hicks is the problem.

Clint Mitchell crashed down a couple of times and managed to make it back into the play. Hicks crashes down, somebody gets a hand on him, he goes to the ground like a ****ing dead fish, and the boot is successful every time...

CoMoChief · 08-13-2006, 01:19 PM

A simple solution to this is to have the OLB blitz to the QB's weakside. For instance if he's right handed, blitz the ROLB to his blind side and just have the LE and LOLB contain that side of the field in case he does run out of the pocket. We could then bring down a safety in the box more in case its a running play considering I think we have the players at CB to play man to man.

htismaqe · 08-13-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BSPimpDude

A simple solution to this is to have the OLB blitz to the QB's weakside. For instance if he's right handed, blitz the ROLB to his blind side and just have the LE and LOLB contain that side of the field in case he does run out of the pocket. We could then bring down a safety in the box more in case its a running play considering I think we have the players at CB to play man to man.

The SIMPLE solution to the problem has already been executed.

Replace Eric Hicks.

GoHuge · 08-13-2006, 01:24 PM

I watched the game at a buddies house but when I got home I watched the first team D several times. Reed and Edwards did get some push. Alot more than what we've seen in recent past out of our interior guys. Hicks has probably seen the bootleg more than anybody in the NFL and he's still the worst at protecting against it. If you have DVR just go back and look. He just ran straight down the line every single play. I don't think he'll ever figure it out. I'm really glad they ran it over and over again so the Chiefs can try and find an answer for the BL. Hali, OLB, somebody has got to learn to stay home. With that said I know it's preseason and this is what it's for. Find your strengths and work on your weaknesses. Lets hope they can get it fixed. Very frustrating, but still first preseason game boys. Lets wait on Hali and the third game or so before we start looking for bridges.

hypersensitiveZO6 · 08-13-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The SIMPLE solution to the problem has already been executed.

Replace Eric Hicks.

In the video on kcchiefs.com, Herm Edward repeatedly said that the DEs playing weren't the right one.

Meaning Hicks. He isn't the starter. Hali is.

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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	I watched the first 3 series' over and over again just now. The problem with the bootleg is ERIC HICKS. Plain and simple, Hicks is the problem. Clint Mitchell crashed down a couple of times and managed to make it back into the play. Hicks crashes down, somebody gets a hand on him, he goes to the ground like a ****ing dead fish, and the boot is successful every time...
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8042254	A simple solution to this is to have the OLB blitz to the QB's weakside. For instance if he's right handed, blitz the ROLB to his blind side and just have the LE and LOLB contain that side of the field in case he does run out of the pocket. We could then bring down a safety in the box more in case its a running play considering I think we have the players at CB to play man to man. __________________
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08-13-2006, 01:24 PM	#59
GoHuge The Truth Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10006072	I watched the game at a buddies house but when I got home I watched the first team D several times. Reed and Edwards did get some push. Alot more than what we've seen in recent past out of our interior guys. Hicks has probably seen the bootleg more than anybody in the NFL and he's still the worst at protecting against it. If you have DVR just go back and look. He just ran straight down the line every single play. I don't think he'll ever figure it out. I'm really glad they ran it over and over again so the Chiefs can try and find an answer for the BL. Hali, OLB, somebody has got to learn to stay home. With that said I know it's preseason and this is what it's for. Find your strengths and work on your weaknesses. Lets hope they can get it fixed. Very frustrating, but still first preseason game boys. Lets wait on Hali and the third game or so before we start looking for bridges.
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