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Old 08-15-2012, 04:44 PM   Topic Starter
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Holthus takes a shot at Haley...
On 810 not long ago he was talking about the chemistry on this team and how he hasn't seen it this way really since he has been calling the games but to the juice...

Said the big reason for the chemistry is there is not a bunch of nit-picking, micro-managing and "useless yelling". Said Cassel doesn't have to worry anymore about being chewed out after changing the play and completing a downfield pass when the play called did not call for such. Went on to say that accountability is being maintained and used the Monday walk-through as an example. Just said there isn't a bunch ot nit-picking and yelling. Romeo let's the coaches coach, etc.

He then elabortated more about how Daboll doesn't give a shit if Cassel changes a play at the line if he thinks the play called won't succeed against the defensive alignment.

I took that as a clear shot at Haley and in retrospect it certainly seems to fit what we saw out of him for 3 years.
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Old 08-15-2012, 04:45 PM   #2
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Yes, the Chiefs are taking all kinds of underhanded shots at Haley and Bowe these days.

Especially Haley.

Any failure in the past three years? His fault.

Now that he's gone, everything will be awesome. He was evil and the fruits of the devil.

Dude sucked but to blame him for everything makes me sick.
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Old 08-15-2012, 04:46 PM   #3
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Yes, the Chiefs are taking all kinds of underhanded shots at Haley and Bowe these days.

Especially Haley.

Any failure in the past three years? His fault.

Now that he's gone, everything will be awesome. He was the evil and the fruits of the devil.
No shit. Total scapegoat for everything.
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Old 08-15-2012, 04:49 PM   #4
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Yes, the Chiefs are taking all kinds of underhanded shots at Haley and Bowe these days.

Especially Haley.

Any failure in the past three years? His fault.

Now that he's gone, everything will be awesome. He was evil and the fruits of the devil.

Dude sucked but to blame him for everything makes me sick.
dude, I was watching some of the game film from some games over the last two years and I clearly just don't think Cassel is that dumb. I mean there were plays where the defense was just stacking the line yet there went the hand off up the middle.

And I don't know which specific play he was referring too but he said Cassel no longer has to worry about being chewed out in his helmet after completing a 20 yard pass dowfield because the play called from the sidelines did not call for that route.

I won't blame Haley for ALL of the fail during his time here. But it is a great point about the yelling and nit-picking. When coaches do that all the ****ing time players tend to start tuning him out.
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Old 08-15-2012, 04:53 PM   #5
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dude, I was watching some of the game film from some games over the last two years and I clearly just don't think Cassel is that dumb. I mean there were plays where the defense was just stacking the line yet there went the hand off up the middle.
I don't think Cassel is dumb, either.

He just sucks at football. Inaccurate, mediocre arm, doesn't read defenses particularly well.

Smart guy. Shit QB.

There's also an entire sequence from the Seattle game that clearly shows Cassel had the ability to change plays, because the guy checked into a running play at the goal line in that game, or changed the direction of it or something. It was on HBO.
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I don't think Cassel is dumb, either.

He just sucks at football. Inaccurate, mediocre arm, doesn't read defenses particularly well.

Smart guy. Shit QB.

There's also an entire sequence from the Seattle game that clearly shows Cassel had the ability to change plays, because the guy checked into a running play at the goal line in that game, or changed the direction of it or something. It was on HBO.
That was Weis, not Haley. We have been over this several times.
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Old 08-15-2012, 05:07 PM   #7
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That was Weis, not Haley. We have been over this several times.
No, it was not Weis.

It was Cassel at the line of ****ing scrimmage changing things. And then Haley praising him for it, literally saying "he's becoming a quarterback."
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Old 08-15-2012, 07:07 PM   #8
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I don't think Cassel is dumb, either.

He just sucks at football. Inaccurate, mediocre arm, doesn't read defenses particularly well.

Smart guy. Shit QB.

There's also an entire sequence from the Seattle game that clearly shows Cassel had the ability to change plays, because the guy checked into a running play at the goal line in that game, or changed the direction of it or something. It was on HBO.
If he was a smart guy he could read defenses.
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If he was a smart guy he could read defenses.
Not necessarily.



I don't really think he has a problem reading the d, I think it's more of a reactionary thing and knowing what to do when he actually does read it.
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If he was a smart guy he could read defenses.
Dan Marino is a mouth breathing meathead but he could read a defense.

Some guys are good at football, some aren't.
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dude, I was watching some of the game film from some games over the last two years and I clearly just don't think Cassel is that dumb. I mean there were plays where the defense was just stacking the line yet there went the hand off up the middle.

And I don't know which specific play he was referring too but he said Cassel no longer has to worry about being chewed out in his helmet after completing a 20 yard pass dowfield because the play called from the sidelines did not call for that route.

I won't blame Haley for ALL of the fail during his time here. But it is a great point about the yelling and nit-picking. When coaches do that all the ****ing time players tend to start tuning him out.
You don't think Cassel is that dumb? Then why is there talk that he was using Patriots terminology several years into his Chiefs' career?

There are lots of coaches who have pre-determined plays. In fact, a good chunk of them. And frankly, the reason why we ran the ball against a stacked defensive line is because... well... Cassel couldn't throw the ball well against a stacked line either.

Maybe the coaching limited him. But let's not try to pretend that a lot of his problems are because he just wasn't very good.
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You don't think Cassel is that dumb? Then why is there talk that he was using Patriots terminology several years into his Chiefs' career?

There are lots of coaches who have pre-determined plays. In fact, a good chunk of them. And frankly, the reason why we ran the ball against a stacked defensive line is because... well... Cassel couldn't throw the ball well against a stacked line either.

Maybe the coaching limited him. But let's not try to pretend that a lot of his problems are because he just wasn't very good.
Yes, I don't think Cassel is dumb enough to consistently run the ball up the gut against stacked defenses. I do think Haley was egotistical enough to say "you run the play I call and only the play I call..."
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Yes, I don't think Cassel is dumb enough to consistently run the ball up the gut against stacked defenses. I do think Haley was egotistical enough to say "you run the play I call and only the play I call..."
Teams ran stacked defenses against us because they dared Cassel to throw the ball, and in most cases, Cassel couldn't do it. Teams were stacking the defense all game long.

And by the way, when we ran the ball into a stacked defense in 2010, it worked. When we opened the offense in any other year minus Jamaal Charles, it didn't work.

I don't think there's anything egotistical about the reality that the Chiefs were a run-first team. If Cassel wanted more opportunities in an open offense, then maybe he should take advantage of opportunities that the defense gifted for him.
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Yes, the Chiefs are taking all kinds of underhanded shots at Haley and Bowe these days.

Especially Haley.

Any failure in the past three years? His fault.

Now that he's gone, everything will be awesome. He was evil and the fruits of the devil.

Dude sucked but to blame him for everything makes me sick.
I hate to say it because I was a big Haley supporter, but it's possible his attitude was counterproductive across the board.

It was clear to see that the team responded the moment he was fired...and in a positive way. That turnaround has seemingly continued into this year.
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I hate to say it because I was a big Haley supporter, but it's possible his attitude was counterproductive across the board.

It was clear to see that the team responded the moment he was fired...and in a positive way. That turnaround has seemingly continued into this year.
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