Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room
Reload this Page Football QBR is complete and utter crap
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar

Reply
Page 5 of 6 1234 5 6
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-12-2013, 12:32 AM  
Kaepernick Kaepernick is offline
Niner Trash
 
Kaepernick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Casino cash: $10013638
QBR is complete and utter crap
Look at the stat line. How in hell can Andy Dalton beat any of these 3 guys in rating? He is smoked in passer rating but dominates QBR. It looks like the completion % is way too heavily weighted. That is all I can figure. I don't give a damn if he completed 80% to Peyton's 65%, there is no way in hell a guy with 7 TDs and 0 INTs should be trumped by a guy with 2 TDs and 2 INTs, especially with 180 less yards.

I realize QBR is complicated and that a game losing INT is weighted far differently than an INT in the first minute of a 50 point blowout. I realize a TD in garbage time is not rated the same a game-winning walk-off TD. That is the good news.

But this is just WRONG.

QBR is just pure and utter crap if it can't handle this kind of immense disparity. There is no way in any sane world that 2 TD/2 INT/282 yards beats out 7 TD/0 INT/462 yards. It just isn't possible.


QBR
91.8 - Dalton
89.8 - Kaepernick
83.6 - Peyton
70.0 - Rodgers


Passer Rating
141.1 - Peyton
129.4 - Kaepernick
102.6 - Rodgers
97.2 - Dalton


Stat Line
Peyton - 27/42 for 462 yards, 64%, 7 TDs, 0 INT, 3 sacks
Kaeper - 27/39 for 412 yards, 69%, 3 TDs, 0 INT, 2 sacks
Rodgrs - 21/37 for 333 yards, 57%, 3 TDs, 1 INT, 2 sacks
Dalton - 26/33 for 282 yards, 79%, 2 TDs, 2 INT, 1 sacks
Posts: 2,911
Kaepernick Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Kaepernick Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Kaepernick Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Kaepernick Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Kaepernick Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Kaepernick Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Kaepernick Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Kaepernick Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Kaepernick Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Kaepernick Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Kaepernick Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
     Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013, 02:16 PM   #61
MagicHef MagicHef is online now
The Seated Villain
 
MagicHef's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle
Casino cash: $2460247
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead View Post
I'm sure Jake made a few nice throws.

You need to stop actin' a fool. Over Jake will fall and Kaepernick will rise.
Yes, I'm sure Jake's 125 yards and 55% completion rate were incredibly impressive.
Posts: 10,538
MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.
     Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013, 02:17 PM   #62
Hammock Parties Hammock Parties is offline
I'll be back.
 
Hammock Parties's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Casino cash: $4700478
Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicHef View Post
Yes, I'm sure Jake's 125 yards and 55% completion rate were incredibly impressive.
Do you disagree with my point that PFF has a more sound rating system than QBR or traditional QB rating?

Those systems take into account numbers and nothing else.
__________________
Chiefs game films
Posts: 277,920
Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013, 02:21 PM   #63
MagicHef MagicHef is online now
The Seated Villain
 
MagicHef's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle
Casino cash: $2460247
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead View Post
Do you disagree with my point that PFF has a more sound rating system than QBR or traditional QB rating?

Those systems take into account numbers and nothing else.
Yeah, probably.

Let me ask you (taking from your previous example): which is more valuable to a team, a screen pass that goes for 18 yards, or an 18 yard pass with no YAC?
Posts: 10,538
MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.
     Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013, 02:22 PM   #64
Hammock Parties Hammock Parties is offline
I'll be back.
 
Hammock Parties's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Casino cash: $4700478
Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicHef View Post
Yeah, probably.

Let me ask you (taking from your previous example): which is more valuable to a team, a screen pass that goes for 18 yards, or an 18 yard pass with no YAC?
They're equally valuable in the course of a game.

However, when determining credit for a play, and what a QB should be praised for, an 18-yard strike into a tight window is far more praiseworthy.
__________________
Chiefs game films
Posts: 277,920
Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013, 02:27 PM   #65
Just Passin' By Just Passin' By is offline
In Search of a Life
 
Just Passin' By's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2009
Casino cash: $5460524
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead View Post
QBR and PFF are completely separate.

PFF actually takes into account things like degree of difficulty of a throw.

If QB throws a shitty pass and it goes for 50 yards, he doesn't get much credit for it.
PFF is a steaming pile of shit.
Posts: 69,748
Just Passin' By is obviously part of the inner Circle.Just Passin' By is obviously part of the inner Circle.Just Passin' By is obviously part of the inner Circle.Just Passin' By is obviously part of the inner Circle.Just Passin' By is obviously part of the inner Circle.Just Passin' By is obviously part of the inner Circle.Just Passin' By is obviously part of the inner Circle.Just Passin' By is obviously part of the inner Circle.Just Passin' By is obviously part of the inner Circle.Just Passin' By is obviously part of the inner Circle.Just Passin' By is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013, 02:33 PM   #66
Discuss Thrower Discuss Thrower is online now
"You like to drink?"
 
Discuss Thrower's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: "I like to drink."
Casino cash: $3216869
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead View Post
QBR and PFF are completely separate.

PFF actually takes into account things like degree of difficulty of a throw.

If QB throws a shitty pass and it goes for 50 yards, he doesn't get much credit for it.
And it has an even weaker correlation than QBR and Passer Rating..
__________________
Chiefs 2016 Opponents:
Home: JAX, TEN, NO, TB, NYJ. Away: HOU, IND, ATL, CAR, PIT
Chiefs 2017 Opponents:
Home: BUF, MIA, PHI, WSH, AFC North. Away: NE, NYJ, NYG, DAL, AFC South
Posts: 42,711
Discuss Thrower is obviously part of the inner Circle.Discuss Thrower is obviously part of the inner Circle.Discuss Thrower is obviously part of the inner Circle.Discuss Thrower is obviously part of the inner Circle.Discuss Thrower is obviously part of the inner Circle.Discuss Thrower is obviously part of the inner Circle.Discuss Thrower is obviously part of the inner Circle.Discuss Thrower is obviously part of the inner Circle.Discuss Thrower is obviously part of the inner Circle.Discuss Thrower is obviously part of the inner Circle.Discuss Thrower is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013, 02:33 PM   #67
MagicHef MagicHef is online now
The Seated Villain
 
MagicHef's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle
Casino cash: $2460247
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead View Post
They're equally valuable in the course of a game.

However, when determining credit for a play, and what a QB should be praised for, an 18-yard strike into a tight window is far more praiseworthy.
Why? It seems like selling the down field pass to bring in pass rushers to make a screen successful deserves praise.

Do Palmer, Schaub, Stafford and Cutler deserve more praise for their passing performances than Peyton?
Posts: 10,538
MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.
     Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013, 02:35 PM   #68
the Talking Can the Talking Can is offline
Supporter
 
the Talking Can's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: street
Casino cash: $10022208
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By View Post
QBR and PFF formulaic stats are things to avoid.
yeah, one should listen to justblowin'cassle when it comes to QBs...
__________________
Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
Last edited by the Talking Can; 09-12-2013 at 05:12 PM..
Posts: 51,585
the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.the Talking Can is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013, 02:40 PM   #69
Hammock Parties Hammock Parties is offline
I'll be back.
 
Hammock Parties's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Casino cash: $4700478
Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicHef View Post
Why? It seems like selling the down field pass to bring in pass rushers to make a screen successful deserves praise.

Do Palmer, Schaub, Stafford and Cutler deserve more praise for their passing performances than Peyton?
Probably because they made more difficult throws a greater percentage of the time.

It's just one ****ing game. It is possible for Carson Palmer to play slightly better than Peyton Manning in one week out of their entire careers.
__________________
Chiefs game films
Posts: 277,920
Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013, 02:43 PM   #70
Floridafan Floridafan is offline
Starter
 
Floridafan's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2003
Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL
Casino cash: $9846623
Don't know if anyone cares but Mike Florio is joined by PFT managing editor Michael David Smith to pick Chiefs to win.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ing-on-monday/
Posts: 296
Floridafan has disabled reputation
     Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013, 02:46 PM   #71
MagicHef MagicHef is online now
The Seated Villain
 
MagicHef's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle
Casino cash: $2460247
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead View Post
Probably because they made more difficult throws a greater percentage of the time.

It's just one ****ing game. It is possible for Carson Palmer to play slightly better than Peyton Manning in one week out of their entire careers.
You agree that 242, 63.6%, 2TDs and 1 INT is indicative of a better performance than 463, 64.3%, 7 TDs and no INTs?

I'm not debating that it's possible for any of those guys to outplay Peyton one week. I just don't see it happening the week that Peyton happens to throw 7 TDs and 0 INTs.
Posts: 10,538
MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.
     Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013, 02:52 PM   #72
Hammock Parties Hammock Parties is offline
I'll be back.
 
Hammock Parties's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Casino cash: $4700478
Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicHef View Post
You agree that 242, 63.6%, 2TDs and 1 INT is indicative of a better performance than 463, 64.3%, 7 TDs and no INTs?

I'm not debating that it's possible for any of those guys to outplay Peyton one week. I just don't see it happening the week that Peyton happens to throw 7 TDs and 0 INTs.
This is why traditional QB rating is so flawed.

One of those seven TD passes was a freaking bubble screen that DT took to the house.

That's weighted a lot lower than a more difficult throw for the QB in PFF metrics.

If you want the most accurate QB rating system, it IS PFF. It's not perfect, but it's the best we've got.

It does awesome things, like tell us Matt Cassel actually sucked in 2010.
__________________
Chiefs game films
Posts: 277,920
Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013, 03:01 PM   #73
MagicHef MagicHef is online now
The Seated Villain
 
MagicHef's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle
Casino cash: $2460247
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead View Post
This is why traditional QB rating is so flawed.

One of those seven TD passes was a freaking bubble screen that DT took to the house.

That's weighted a lot lower than a more difficult throw for the QB in PFF metrics.

If you want the most accurate QB rating system, it IS PFF. It's not perfect, but it's the best we've got.

It does awesome things, like tell us Matt Cassel actually sucked in 2010.
Wow, great point. That only leaves 6 TDs.

Why does difficulty matter? If a QB plays a game with one shoe, it would be a lot more difficult than playing with two. He'd probably get a higher PFF rating.
Posts: 10,538
MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.
     Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013, 03:02 PM   #74
Hammock Parties Hammock Parties is offline
I'll be back.
 
Hammock Parties's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Casino cash: $4700478
Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicHef View Post
Why does difficulty matter?
Because quarterbacks who attempt and complete more difficult passes deserve higher ratings than those who do not.
__________________
Chiefs game films
Posts: 277,920
Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013, 03:03 PM   #75
MagicHef MagicHef is online now
The Seated Villain
 
MagicHef's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle
Casino cash: $2460247
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead View Post
Because quarterbacks who attempt and complete more difficult passes deserve higher ratings than those who do not.
What about the QBs that attempt and do not complete more difficult passes? Like Locker?
Posts: 10,538
MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.
     Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 5 of 6 1234 5 6

« Previous Thread | > Nzoner's Game Room < | Next Thread »

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:01 PM.

Contact Us - ChiefsPlanet - Archive - Top

This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Advertise with us!
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.